Peter de Villiers, Yay or Nah?

Do you like Peter de Villiers or not?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 53.1%

  • No

    Votes: 25 25.5%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 21 21.4%
  • Total voters
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LancelotSA

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Pitbull said:
Give it a rest Lance ;) We all said our peace and we'll judge him when/if we think he's proven hiself to us (Me).

I said that from the onset and haven't changed my mind as yet. Pls leave some space on your face open for more egg pls :p
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Pitbull, posts like this serve very little purpose. I am not the one that has been bumping this thread consistently over the last few days..... it keeps getting bumped by others yet you haven't taken the time to tell them to give it a rest. I assume this is because their opinion obviously agrees with yours. A bit silly really.
 
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LancelotSA said:
Pitbull, posts like this serve very little purpose. I am not the one that has been bumping this thread consistently over the last few days..... it keeps getting bumped by others yet you haven't taken the time to tell them to give it a rest. I assume this is because their opinion obviously agrees with yours. A bit silly really.
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I agree with you. I said my peace and I'm willing to update my view when the time is right. But having this kind of obsession with it can't be healthy for any person to be honest.

If my view is different from yours, then leave it be and give me time to re-evaluate my view when the time is right. No need to try and push your view down my throat. All it does is reflect more negatively on the way I perceive PdV as he needs people like you to try and win him credit :confused:

He will get my credit if/when I think he deserves it. Till then there is no use trying to force my hand.

I'm only speaking for myself though. Other people might find it helpful but it does nothing to mine :eek:
 
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timgaul said:
Is there a reason you posted twice on the same quote, or shall we just put it down to Monday?
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My connection fscked out :eek: I did not see that it did get posted :eek:

timgaul said:
Oh they're there, de Villiers just needs to ensure they make it into the team. At 18 years old, when White found Smit, I hardly think he was an obvious choice. But White's foresight has brought us probably the (second) best captain, we've ever had!

But no, Mallet doesn't have the players to draw from since Italy is primarily a football country. South Africa is known as one of the big 3 and as such there are players available for the picking. You're claiming that it's okay for de Villiers not to be able to build up a good team from the same pool that White did, I see it was him not being an all-round great coach. A good manager yes, but a great coach, no.

However, and I know someone is going to quote this out of context so I'll put it here in bold: it's not necessarily the case, yet - de Villiers still has a chance to do so!
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Erm ok but the question still stands: Why did JW not reach the same heights with the boks? We never under White dominated like now. 2 years after his departure might I add.
 
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LancelotSA said:
I see some people in here have decided that their new angle of attack is going to be that they are "willing to concede" that PdV is a great manager but not a great coach. Yet if someone were bored enough to go back and read through this thread you will find earlier comments that the role of a modern day coach is exactly that, to manage his resources. How much coaching do you think someone who achieves the pinnacle of rugby really needs?

In football they don't even bother calling them coaches any more but managers.
And guess what they have to say about the role of a football manager (please feel free to replace the term football manager with rugby head coach) from a Cambridge University article:

Now doesn't that sound like just the role a head coach would play in rugby? And more specifically, by all accounts, is that not exactly the role PdV is playing so damn well? So when you guys are happily conceding that he is a great manager, I think you are unwittingly, and probably much to your disgust, admitting that he is in fact a great coach.
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Unlike football, the coach in rugby has a great deal of input as to what players will appear in his team. This isn't a club, not is it a franchise and as such, it is a national team! The team doesn't buy players but teams are based on lists drawn up by the coach, every single season. To be frank, de Villiers hasn't changed much since Jake White drew up the lists about 3 years ago, in that he has been lucky.

As such, there is much more responsibility and a far wider job description of a national coach as opposed to a team manager.

So, as such, I don't think you definition or simile actually works.
 
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Devill said:
Erm ok but the question still stands: Why did JW not reach the same heights with the boks? We never under White dominated like now. 2 years after his departure might I add.
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Some of us think he did, that is another argument in itself.
 
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Sadly some people will never admit PVD is about the best we have had and i would say this is looking like the most dominant rugby team ever assembled in this country possible the best assembled team the world has ever seen, even with 2 big players leaving we have talent that can replace them with ease i think.
 
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Devill said:
Yet PdV has the same things to overcome ;) He also needs to "transform" rugby, he also needs to show a certain amount of "colour" players have played in enough games every year.

So no try again.
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Sorry for doing this but I would like I am penguin to reply to my reply :) And it was at the bottom of the previous page... Im scared he doesn't see it.

killadoob said:
Sadly some people will never admit PVD is about the best we have had and i would say this is looking like the most dominant rugby team ever assembled in this country possible the best assembled team the world has ever seen, even with 2 big players leaving we have talent that can replace them with ease i think.
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I see it as PdV that made a good team better :)
 
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I don't think our team was that good under white, we got nailed in the tri nations and won an easy world cup.

Not exactly the best record in my view. Winning 5 out of 6 trinations games is something i marvel at not an easy world cup.
 
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killadoob said:
I don't think our team was that good under white, we got nailed in the tri nations and won an easy world cup.

Not exactly the best record in my view. Winning 5 out of 6 trinations games is something i marvel at not an easy world cup.
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I agree. We didn't play out of this world rugby under white. We did play some great rugby at times. But for the most part we played ok, and the tri-nations we won once in 4 years under him.

World cup's are unbelievably over-rated.
 
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