Peter de Villiers, Yay or Nah?

Do you like Peter de Villiers or not?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 53.1%
  • No

    Votes: 25 25.5%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 21 21.4%

  • Total voters
    98

Cantera

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I checked on the news PDV didnt want to blame the ref but he sort of hinted in a classic PDV ''way'' about Wayne Barnes.

Thing is, i totally agree with him. I blame the ref. He spoilt a good game. Watching the repeat of the game and seeing Wayne Barne's position and not seeing all the errors he made is just ridiculous!!!!!! It made me very angry!

Hats off to the Australians, they played well. It would have been a better win if they never had the ref on their side.
 

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Sorry, PDV, I voted 'No'.

Your team is getting good results despite you. I think you have just been lucky!
 

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I will have to find it. The thread was deleted so i will have to search for the link again.
I cannot find the exact page but here is a reference to the same quote
http://www.keo.co.za/2009/07/12/smit-defends-de-villiers/

In the same piece:
Smit suggested that De Villiers is better than his predecessor Jake White, who coached the Springboks to World Cup glory in 2007, in some aspects.

Being technical does not = being good.

Nick Mallet was not the most technical coach in history but he produced one of the best bok teams to ever walk onto a field in the 1998 season....

Go look what John smit said in the piece.. IMO he is trying his utter best to show how happy the boks are with PdV... If you like I can give you some quotes from that same piece :)

Sorry, PDV, I voted 'No'.

Your team is getting good results despite you. I think you have just been lucky!

Thats sad, when they are winning its the players, when they are losing its the coach...
 

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PdV interview

Article on PdV's interview yesterday. I'm 100% with him on this:

http://www.theherald.co.za/article.aspx?id=468638

A NEW row has erupted over the state of refereeing in the Tri-Nations competition, with Springbok coach Peter de Villiers saying he was wasting his time consulting with International Rugby Board referee boss Paddy O’Brien and his officials before matches.

The Boks were unhappy about being blown up in the scrums by New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence in Perth, where they beat Australia 32-25 two weeks ago.

They were again unhappy with the officiating of Englishman Wayne Barnes after going down 21-6 to the Wallabies in Brisbane on Saturday.

After South Africa wrote to O’Brien, asking for clarity on decisions and were told that Lawrence’s decisions were the most accurate in the Tri-Nations, De Villiers was reported as saying yesterday. “I believe it’s a complete waste of time.

“It doesn’t matter if we ask for an explanation of the scrum rules. The problem is pointed out, but it is not officiated properly by the referee and the other officials on the field.

“People don’t want to see other teams being successful. That is my biggest problem at the moment.

“We can’t go public about certain things because we don’t have all the evidence, but the body language of certain officials when things went against us in that game made us worry,” the coach said.

“The officials were so happy when decisions went against us on the day. I am talking about the number one rugby team in the world. Shouldn’t they really get the other guys to that level?

“Or do they want to break things down so the game can become mediocre and everyone has a chance to win. We don’t want to dwell on it, but if that is the case I will have to reconsider talking to them.”

No one at SA Rugby could be reached to verify the accuracy of De Villiers’s statement. – Sapa
 

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In the same piece:

Being technical does not = being good.

Nick Mallet was not the most technical coach in history but he produced one of the best bok teams to ever walk onto a field in the 1998 season....

Go look what John smit said in the piece.. IMO he is trying his utter best to show how happy the boks are with PdV... If you like I can give you some quotes from that same piece :)



Thats sad, when they are winning its the players, when they are losing its the coach...

Smit suggested that De Villiers is better than his predecessor Jake White, who coached the Springboks to World Cup glory in 2007, in some aspects.

Better in that he has roguishly good looks? He is outspoken, especially about IRB referees? He's not afraid to don an 80s Magnumesque 'tache? :p
 

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Better in that he has roguishly good looks? He is outspoken, especially about IRB referees? He's not afraid to don an 80s Magnumesque 'tache? :p

Lol, well he does have a better record than JW ;) So maybe John has found a new blue eyed coach :p:D
 

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Its really sad that 8 people voted No.

We are number 1 in the World. We thrashed the Lions. We humbled the All Blacks back to back and we humilated the Wallabies in Perth.

What more does PDV have to do to get the respect of the people?
 

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Winning is not enough. It's being the complete package. The All Blacks have been for years been the best side in the world between world cups. Yet, they are looked down upon in a world cup after they have been beaten.

The All Blacks still to me represent what rugby is all about. They have brilliant structures in place, which SA can only dream of, and that's why they are so good.

South Africa's usual complacency/arrogance (PDV in this case) showed when he fielded a second string Boks side against the Lions in the 3rd test. The All Blacks never do that.
 
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Dont be fooled about the All Blacks being the perfect side. They have the same problems we have in South Africa.

Have you been to New Zealand? I dont think you have.
 

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I have been there a few times yes. I am no expert on NZ rugby, i never said i was.

What i have found is people always think the grass is greener on the other side, when they have no clue about the politics on that side.

I guess its cool for some people to complain about our conutry and paint a pretty picture of the other side.
 

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I have been there a few times yes. I am no expert on NZ rugby, i never said i was.

What i have found is people always think the grass is greener on the other side, when they have no clue about the politics on that side.

I guess its cool for some people to complain about our conutry and paint a pretty picture of the other side.

Please refer me to the post that did exactly that what you said? I must have missed it.
 

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I have been there a few times yes. I am no expert on NZ rugby, i never said i was.

What i have found is people always think the grass is greener on the other side, when they have no clue about the politics on that side.

I guess its cool for some people to complain about our conutry and paint a pretty picture of the other side.

There is one big difference between NZ rugby and SA rugby. SA and NZ where on the same level about 40 years back. And no it's has nothing to do with race/Apartheid or any other thing.

It about the Rugby Life.

NZ eats, sleeps, craps, copulate Rugby. SA lost that a few years ago when Rugby became a professional sport. Sure the Support is there and some of the population in SA loves Rugby with all their being. But the massive NEED for rugby in SA is dying a very slow death.

SA is turning into a Football country. Nothing wrong with it, but the Rugby Passion they have in NZ is unrivaled anywhere else in the world.
 

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Winning is not enough. It's being the complete package. The All Blacks have been for years been the best side in the world between world cups. Yet, they are looked down upon in a world cup after they have been beaten.

The All Blacks still to me represent what rugby is all about. They have brilliant structures in place, which SA can only dream of, and that's why they are so good.

South Africa's usual complacency/arrogance (PDV in this case) showed when he fielded a second string Boks side against the Lions in the 3rd test. The All Blacks never do that.
Prior to readmission the only side in world rugby to have a better win ratio against NZ was SA.

Since readmission, overall, we've lost more than we've won, however, as you've pointed out we've won 2 world cups vs NZ's 1.

So there is very little between the 2 nations historically.

It's not arrogance fielding a 2nd string side, there many reasons for doing that. One has to rotate the players, it's a long season, 3 tests and tri-nations and end of year tour!!!

3rd test was a dead rubber, perfect environment to experiment and give the rest of the squad an opportunity to gain international experience...

As for structures we have some of the best facilities in the world, a strong club and provincial setup and a thriving competition in the form in the Currie Cup dating back to 1889 making it one of the oldest competitions in world rugby.
 

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PdV made 2 crucial mistakes on Saturday.

1. Adi Jacobs? I mean WTF?
2. Replace Bakkie Botha? WTF?

Appart from that he's still doing ok. Like I mentioned in the previous thread, I'm not going to rate him as yet. Just judging by the amature mistakes he made on Saturday any praise would have been misplaced. It does however not make him a bad coach. We need to give him time so we can judge him accordingly.

Currently he's doing a good job. I'm sure he's allowed a mistake or 2 ;)

The biggest mistake that he made was in not following through on the rules regarding the tight phases. The Australians were scrumming up in the scrums, in the rolling mauls they were always offside trying to pull it down, and in the rucks they were playing the scrum half.

They had a telecon with the convener of refs and just accepted him saying they he was happy with the tight play - and then did nothing about it.

That just demonstrated complete arrogance or absolutely no understanding of what it takes to win.

Australia and the ref may have had some dodgy moments but they put points on the board. The Boks need to get smarter about the meta game. The Australians also made noise about the scrum so all the attention goes there - then for the most part their game consisted of playing obstruction. Any complaints? No! The ref and linesmen were looking at the wrong thing.

And that's where Jake White is far superior - he plays total rugby. Sure, part of it is about having the biggest players there first. But the real game is doing something the opposition can't counter and then moving on to something new when they start catching up.

The 3 greatest coches that South Africa has had are Ian McIntosh, Nick Mallet, and Jake White. McIntosh changed the way the Springboks played rugby. Mallet got them used to winning, and White managed the Boks incredibly well.

Snor has taken us backwards. Not disputing that we've won games - but that's just the minimum requirement.
 

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Please refer me to the post that did exactly that what you said? I must have missed it.

Speaking in general. Lots of people share the view that NZ rugby is perfect. SA has a million and 1 problems compared to NZ.:rolleyes:

It really gets tired and boring to hear people complain everyday about SA. Even if we are winning, people are complaining.
 

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Speaking in general. Lots of people share the view that NZ rugby is perfect. SA has a million and 1 problems compared to NZ.:rolleyes:

It really gets tired and boring to hear people complain everyday about SA. Even if we are winning, people are complaining.

So you just threw a stone in the bush. (You remind me of someone, tsk!)
 

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Speaking in general. Lots of people share the view that NZ rugby is perfect. SA has a million and 1 problems compared to NZ.:rolleyes:

It really gets tired and boring to hear people complain everyday about SA. Even if we are winning, people are complaining.

Maybe it's because us as South Africans have learned the hardway about getting our hopes up? And the way things always pan out it's pretty easy to understand why people keep complaining ;)
 

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I was aiming for your head.

Maybe it would have knocked some sense into you. :D

You missed as I still believe that although PDV seems a manager liked by the boks, he is not a real coach. Maybe a manager standing by his people but not a pacth against true coaches. We will see how it pans out over the next few years untill after the WC.
 
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