Petro businessman mum on 6%-a-month secret

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More idiot South Africans falling for yet another Ponzi scheme. I have no sympathy....

JOHANNESBURG – Businessman Yunus Moolla is tight-lipped on how he is able to pay a 6%-a-month return to his investors. That’s 72% a year uncompounded.

The investment is made through Moolla’s company, Carmol Distributors (Pty) Ltd. Investors apparently finance the trade of petroleum products, particularly diesel.

Carmol’s investment offering was brought to Moneyweb’s attention by a reader who wondered if it might be too good to be true.

The reader says she knows many friends and family members who have invested with Moolla. Some have even taken out loans to finance their investment. She estimates that about R80m has been invested to date.

“I cannot tell my friends this is a Ponzi scheme since I have no proof, and also they are receiving their returns every month, so they are happy,” says the reader. Moolla denies Carmol’s business is a Ponzi scheme.

Moneyweb has been provided with a blank copy of an investor agreement (click here to download). The agreement is between the investor and Carmol Distributors.

The agreement states that the minimum investment period is 12 months, and that the average monthly return is, on average, 6-8%.

Moneyweb asked Moolla how the returns were generated, and whether there was any independent verification of profits.

Moolla responded in a letter (click here to download). He says that Carmol Distributors is a business that sells and distributes petroleum products and has been doing so for approximately five years.

“Initially the business was small and the funding came from myself and a few close acquaintances,” says Moolla. “I am pleased to advise that the business grew substantially and provided an opportunity for larger volumes to be purchased and distributed.”

Molla says he is happy to report that every single person that participated with Carmol Distributors has not only received a return of approximately 6% a month. Further, he says that nearly every participant has had more than their initial capital returned by way of the monthly returns.

However, Moolla says he is unable to share further “trade secrets” or “intellectual information” regarding the business.

“I am certain that you will appreciate that businesses are weary of releasing information that could potentially threaten their client base or their supplier base,” says Moolla.

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-special-investigations/petro-businessman-mum-on-6amonth-secret
 

MR V

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It seems that everyone is still satisfied with it though
 

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“I am certain that you will appreciate that businesses are weary of releasing information that could potentially threaten their client base or their supplier base,” says Moolla.

That's a really odd statement to make within the context of the questions. Not releasing the information would have everything to do with protecting your IP, not the above statement. If it quacks like a duck, and all...
 

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Illiterate journo. Wary not weary. Makes one wonder what else he (Julius) got wrong.
 

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That's a really odd statement to make within the context of the questions. Not releasing the information would have everything to do with protecting your IP, not the above statement. If it quacks like a duck, and all...

If releasing the info threatens their client base, then obviously the info is something that would scare clients off... Hardly instils confidence.
 

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“I cannot tell my friends this is a Ponzi scheme since I have no proof, and also they are receiving their returns every month, so they are happy,” says the reader.

My point is this. Only time will tell if this is really a ponzi scheme, at the moment we can only assume until evidence tells otherwise.
 

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My point is this. Only time will tell if this is really a ponzi scheme, at the moment we can only assume until evidence tells otherwise.

Not quite, unless he's doing this out of altruism. If he can guarantee 6% per month and has delivered in excess of 100% returns, then he effectively has no further need for investors. He could be compounding all of that interest for himself. The fact that he's still reliant on monthly investors simply for fuel purchases is telling. Ponzi scheme, through and through. There is no way that he can maintain such a sustained increase of demand over that period of time...
 

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My point is this. Only time will tell if this is really a ponzi scheme, at the moment we can only assume until evidence tells otherwise.
6% p.m. return is 101.2% p.a. Current zero yield on government bonds for 1 year term is around 5.5% p.a. Why the massive premium in returns to the government bond yields? Kinda implies that the "investment" is massively risky...
 

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The trick is to invest early, then pull out your money very discreetly after the first payment.
 

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The trick is to invest early, then pull out your money very discreetly after the first payment.
I think the SARB has the power to go after people who do this for "unjustified enrichment". Don't know if they've ever actually done it though.
 

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The trick is to invest early, then pull out your money very discreetly after the first payment.

Not possible with a Ponzi scheme. Your initial investment is never repaid, and you're tied in for 12 months at least, as per the above example.

Another thing though - if he's funding his fuel purchases, then the turnover is quick. There would be no need whatsoever to secure the investment for a 12 month term...
 

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6% p.m. return is 101.2% p.a. Current zero yield on government bonds for 1 year term is around 5.5% p.a. Why the massive premium in returns to the government bond yields? Kinda implies that the "investment" is massively risky...

No, it's not compounded - they receive that 6% every month, so their 6% gain every month it's reinvested. So it's 12*6=72%.

But yeah. It does look pretty dodgy.
 

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No, it's not compounded - they receive that 6% every month, so their 6% gain every month it's reinvested. So it's 12*6=72%.

But yeah. It does look pretty dodgy.

He'd be crazy not to be offering them a compounded investment offering. I haven't read the prospectus yet, as I'm not in the habit of reading scams too in-depth...
 

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He'd be crazy not to be offering them a compounded investment offering. I haven't read the prospectus yet, as I'm not in the habit of reading scams too in-depth...

Maybe he does. Who knows. The quoted section of the article is enough for me.
If I make 6-8% a month on my share trading I smile from ear to ear, knowing that the next month it could be -8%, or 0%, or if I'm lucky, another 8%.
 

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So an ex-colleague just walked in to my office to rave about this and how much interest he is earning.

Just sat and listened with a smile :D
 

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How long did Satinsky do business before folding?

Naaaaah, I'll prefer to invest in a bank where I know that I can get my money back should something happen...
 
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