Petrol Price Going Up (In March)

[PeterCH]

Dude. You really need to think clearly as much as you want to blame one group for everything that goes wrong remember there is a big bad world out there, a globalised economy and s.h.i.t happening beyond the control of anyone in this country that causes fuel prices to go up.

The oil price is LOW because of the global liquidity crisis.
The Rand has depreciated but has now won back much of what it lost,
it is 9.92918 do a Dollar mid market rate right now, it was R12.xx around Nov/Dec 2008. Oil is now even lower.
BUT YET THE government is INCREASING the fuel price by adding MORE taxes.

Trevor Manuel is raping the country.

You metalcore are confusing the global economic slow down experienced by a fall in the Rand, decline in the demand for South African goods and raw materials ie the effects of the global slowdown with the government piling on extra petrol taxes on a consumer who is already overloaded with rampant inflation. Govt are idiots.

 

[metalcore]

The oil price is LOW because of the global liquidity crisis.
The Rand has depreciated but has now won back much of what it lost,
it is 9.92918 do a Dollar mid market rate right now, it was R12.xx around Nov/Dec 2008. Oil is now even lower.
BUT YET THE government is INCREASING the fuel price by adding MORE taxes.

Trevor Manuel is raping the country.

You metalcore are confusing the global economic slow down experienced by a fall in the Rand, decline in the demand for South African goods and raw materials ie the effects of the global slowdown with the government piling on extra petrol taxes on a consumer who is already overloaded with rampant inflation. Govt are idiots.

No I am not confusing the global slowdown with anything, I am talking only about fuel/oil prices. And I am trying to point out that our governtment has no control over OPEC and the oilfields and certainly not over international markets. I am trying to point out that it we do indeed live in a globalised economy and that there are international forces at play that effect the price of oil. Everyone is playing in the economic field and our government does not dictate to the USA etc.

So to blame govt for the oil price and therefore the fuel price is silly. Yes oil is at a low but its fluctuating all the time and it will go up again in the future.

 

[icyrus]

No I am not confusing the global slowdown with anything, I am talking only about fuel/oil prices. And I am trying to point out that our governtment has no control over OPEC and the oilfields and certainly not over international markets. I am trying to point out that it we do indeed live in a globalised economy and that there are international forces at play that effect the price of oil. Everyone is playing in the economic field and our government does not dictate to the USA etc.

So to blame govt for the oil price and therefore the fuel price is silly. Yes oil is at a low but its fluctuating all the time and it will go up again in the future.

So its a preemptive hike?

 

[metalcore]

So its a preemptive hike?

Ok I checked and I see they are adding a fuel tax, but its still not an excuse to blame them for everything that goes wrong. Very often I see people just blaming government for things that are out of their control. And when good ideas or laws come along people tear these apart.

Im not trying to defend anyone just saying give credit where its due. Everyone is so damn negative all the time and its this negative sentiment thats dragging our country down. There are plenty good things happening but there are so many negative people who just want to be bitter.

SA is becoming a nation of whiners and this forum seems to be where they congregate.

 

[marine1]

Metalcore, the fuel tax is solely designed for the gvt to basically punish us, fuel users. This has sweet bugger all to do with the Oil price. I blame the gvt as it is their decision. Wake up and see what they are doing to us.
Maybe 40 cents for the next year is not a lot to you but when you travel all the time on the roads which by the way are falling apart, it adds up.
They are simply using this to bankroll whatever they are up to.
If you dont like the reality or people complaining about the constant corruption of this gvt then maybe go join a pro ANC, pro corruption, Pro Zuma forum.
The only thing dragging this country down is the current regime and their supporters.

Oh and I suppose you think we dont have a problem with crime either? Probably just a perception hey?

 

[stoke]

LOL.
This fuel tax is unwarranted, unjustified and raping the nation.
But, what was the reason given :

Fuel levies
As road-users, Madam Speaker, we have gained some advantage since mid-2008 from
lower international oil prices. As road-users we also know that there is a substantial
increase in spending on maintenance and construction under way, and we still face a
heavy burden of road accidents and associated compensation claims. These are costs
that have to be covered, and so there will be increases in the fuel levies on 1 April this
year, of 23 cents and 24 cents per litre in respect of the general petrol and diesel levies,
and 17.5 cents in the road accident fund levy.

As indicated last year, it is proposed that the general fuel levy should form part of a new
municipal revenue arrangement to replace the former Regional Service Council levies.
In 2009/10, 23 per cent of the general fuel levy will be earmarked for metropolitan
municipalities to support expenditure on roads and transportation infrastructure.

So, they're going to replace the Regional Service Council levies with this tax. I am pretty sure that this has a heck of a lot to do with the recent treasury bail-out of the bus services in various parts of the country lucky enough to have bus services.

 

[supersunbird]

And now we have our petrol tax going up 40 cents?? WTF yea I hate the ANC they are raping us. We are financing their bloody agenda. I am sick of this attitude that they can just do as they please.

And we're sick of your stupidity... you haven't even addressed how the ANC makes the petrol price "increase" every start of the year, did the ANC make the price drop from R10.40 to R5.83 and thus you give them credit for the price drop too?

 

[marine1]

And we're sick of your stupidity... you haven't even addressed how the ANC makes the petrol price "increase" every start of the year, did the ANC make the price drop from R10.40 to R5.83 and thus you give them credit for the price drop too?

Ok genius, my apologies for offending your great intelligence.
Nearly every year we have a decrease at the end, near December and in Jan.
Then come Feb or March or even April, it goes back up. The increase in the fuel levy is there to bankroll this gvt's plans for whatever they intend doing. They paid out 500 million to a foreigner (RAF), remember or am I making that up too?
We have to cover that 500 mill payment and how else are we going to do it?
We are being made to cover the ****ups of this current regime.
Can you explain to me why we are being penalised by having this increase? You must know something we all do not as clearly you are far more intelligent than the average South Africa.
The oil price came down from $130 / $140 so obviously the prices came down. The price has not shot up and cannot justify 2 increases in such a short time and also the gvt cannot justify an increase in fuel tax when we are paying such high fuel tax already.
Look at how much take we pay on fuel. It is a disgrace and we are just funding the gvt and their pockets

“At a time of sky-high oil prices, Sasol Ltd. (SSL ), Secunda’s owner, churns out 160,000 barrels of gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel a day, enough to cover 28% of South Africa’s needs, without using a single drop of crude oil, imported or otherwise.”

 

[DragonLogos]

Have seen it quoted as 40% for SASOL - think that is because the fuel is blended

 

[metalcore]

Metalcore, the fuel tax is solely designed for the gvt to basically punish us, fuel users. This has sweet bugger all to do with the Oil price. I blame the gvt as it is their decision. Wake up and see what they are doing to us.
Maybe 40 cents for the next year is not a lot to you but when you travel all the time on the roads which by the way are falling apart, it adds up.
They are simply using this to bankroll whatever they are up to.
If you dont like the reality or people complaining about the constant corruption of this gvt then maybe go join a pro ANC, pro corruption, Pro Zuma forum.
The only thing dragging this country down is the current regime and their supporters.

Oh and I suppose you think we dont have a problem with crime either? Probably just a perception hey?

Instead of b.itching and complaining what are you going to do about it. Why don't you form a party and try and make a change. I have seen you a lot on this forum and sometimes you say things which make sense and sometimes you say just plain stupid things... most of the time. I had a friend like you who was so full of hatred that he was blinded to reality.

If you want to critisize then you should also learn to praise. We are all only human. To err is human, and the whole world is a f.u.c.k.e.d. place. There are a lot worse things happening in other countries across the planet. We should be greatful that we don't have to wake up to bombs falling all around us. Sure things could be better but if you had to go other countries you might find that you would end up hating the status quo there to eventually, because in case you haven't noticed the rest of the world aint utopia with south africa being the only f.u.c.k.e.d up place. There are problems everywhere. Our economy is doing better than many first world countries at the moment. Saffirs have gone overseas and are now facing being made redundant in their overseas jobs...

I have met people who were REAL marines and stood on REAL battlefields in the middle east with REAL assualt rifles in their hands and saw f.u.c.k.e.d up s.h.i.t. going down and they will tell you that South Africa is lot better than many other places . And their MATURITY speaks worlds for them.

So please keep it REAL and for f.u.c.k.s sake be POSITIVE or PROACTIVE.

 

[metalcore]

Ok genius, my apologies for offending your great intelligence.
Nearly every year we have a decrease at the end, near December and in Jan.
Then come Feb or March or even April, it goes back up. The increase in the fuel levy is there to bankroll this gvt's plans for whatever they intend doing. They paid out 500 million to a foreigner (RAF), remember or am I making that up too?
We have to cover that 500 mill payment and how else are we going to do it?
We are being made to cover the ****ups of this current regime.
Can you explain to me why we are being penalised by having this increase? You must know something we all do not as clearly you are far more intelligent than the average South Africa.
The oil price came down from $130 / $140 so obviously the prices came down. The price has not shot up and cannot justify 2 increases in such a short time and also the gvt cannot justify an increase in fuel tax when we are paying such high fuel tax already.
Look at how much take we pay on fuel. It is a disgrace and we are just funding the gvt and their pockets

“At a time of sky-high oil prices, Sasol Ltd. (SSL ), Secunda’s owner, churns out 160,000 barrels of gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel a day, enough to cover 28% of South Africa’s needs, without using a single drop of crude oil, imported or otherwise.”

Instead of just being critical of you I can also praise you too... I hope you are watching and learning...

First of all the issue you raise about Sasol is something that is worth looking into. We shouldnt be paying so much for Sasol fuel because it doesnt use crude oil and isnt pegged to the oil price. This could turn into one of the big issues people address in the future. But we must remember that its going to be very difficult to differentiate between the fuel made by sasol and fuel refined from crude oil.
If Sasol stations had to suddenly be cheaper then this will create chaos as everyone will fill up at sasols and supplies would dry up very quickly. It would create instability in the markets and the pressure from overseas would be too great and this could negatively impact the rand. Remember oil is one of the biggest resources in the world and there is a lot of weight behind it.
If Sasol could cover 100% of our fuel it would be possible to cut off foreign supplies and totally depend on a cheaper local product. But this is not the case and again we would suffer negative influences from the international market. So the only option is to keep Sasol fuels at the same price as the crude oil refined fuels. Perhaps a middle ground could be found where the lower cost of Sasol fuels is used to offset the imports. This would be a good initiative but could have bad repercussions in international circles.

Secondly as for the 500mil payout. Thats a lucky break for a guy with good lawyers and lots of money to spend and legal loopholes that looked after foreigners visiting the country. It could have happened to anyone. If the country didnt pay the guy the critics might have been saying that "SA sucks because they wouldn't cover an injured tourist"

 

[marine1]

Instead of b.itching and complaining what are you going to do about it. Why don't you form a party and try and make a change. I have seen you a lot on this forum and sometimes you say things which make sense and sometimes you say just plain stupid things... most of the time. I had a friend like you who was so full of hatred that he was blinded to reality.

What am I doing? I am trying to educate people I meet and make them vote. Trying to show people there are alternatives to a racist, corrupt gvt. Trying to voice my opinions here about the state of this country, something you dont get. Maybe you should live overseas where things work.

If you want to critisize then you should also learn to praise. We are all only human.

I do, I praise great leaders like Zille, Mandela etc.
I praise good work and honest people doing hard jobs and getting paid cr@p salaries. I praise the scorpions but wait they are now gone as the ANC machine has destroyed them.

I have met people who were REAL marines and stood on REAL battlefields in the middle east with REAL assualt rifles in their hands and saw f.u.c.k.e.d up s.h.i.t. going down and they will tell you that South Africa is lot better than many other places . And their MATURITY speaks worlds for them.

Yeah and I have met many people who have lost their loved ones due to a country that cannot protect it's citizens. We are at war. War with crime and corruption.

So please keep it REAL and for f.u.c.k.s sake be POSITIVE or PROACTIVE.

I will not live my life with my head in the sand. We need to speak out and stand up for what is right. Reality is that things are bad here. I am pro active by voting in every election, paying tax etc.

Secondly as for the 500mil payout. Thats a lucky break for a guy with good lawyers and lots of money to spend and legal loopholes that looked after foreigners visiting the country. It could have happened to anyone. If the country didnt pay the guy the critics might have been saying that "SA sucks because they wouldn't cover an injured tourist"

We are covering a bill that the country could not afford (including the arms deal).
Why did the head of the RAF go to that guy's country? It smells of corruption. No other country that I know of (stand to be corrected by facts) would have allowed this. That is why you take travel insurance.
Point is that the taxpayer is footing the bill for the current gvt's incompetence and corruption. It is our duty to hold any gvt running this country, to account.

 

[PeterCH]

No I am not confusing the global slowdown with anything, I am talking only about fuel/oil prices. And I am trying to point out that our governtment has no control over OPEC and the oilfields and certainly not over international markets. I am trying to point out that it we do indeed live in a globalised economy and that there are international forces at play that effect the price of oil. Everyone is playing in the economic field and our government does not dictate to the USA etc.

So to blame govt for the oil price and therefore the fuel price is silly. Yes oil is at a low but its fluctuating all the time and it will go up again in the future.

The GOVERNMENT is ADDING ADDITIONAL TAXES to the PETROL PRICE, which is low internationally. This is not an OPEC issue, it is a TREVOR MANUEL issue in the latest budget. They are cutting individual taxes but screwing the consumer by piling on additional fuel levies. At the end they are probably taking more.

Please don't evade the issue next time. No-one here is stupid enough to believe the govt can control international fuel prices although the more powerful the country the cheaper it buys its petrol at, but besides that Manuel has added extra taxes to the fuel price hence it will go up on top of the recent increase. In other words the govt wants to make a quick buck but in the long run it will hurt the consumer and therefore the buyer who'll have less Rs to spend and so lead to less employment in SA.

 

[PeterCH]

LOL.
This fuel tax is unwarranted, unjustified and raping the nation.
But, what was the reason given :

So, they're going to replace the Regional Service Council levies with this tax. I am pretty sure that this has a heck of a lot to do with the recent treasury bail-out of the bus services in various parts of the country lucky enough to have bus services.

Does that mean that our property rates will go down?
I assume since I pay for garbage collection, sewage, electricity and water - those are covered and the property tax I pay each month is supposed to pay for roads, street lights and so forth. Will this now decrease if an additional tax from petrol will go towards municipalities?

I don't believe so. I think this is just Manuel taking advantage of more tax revenue - petrol price is relatively cheap - so let's push it up and make some $$$ in the process to waste on corrupt government tenders and BMW X5s for the officials.

 

[DragonLogos]

http://www.southafrica.info/business/trends/innovations/inventions.htm

Oil from coal

Sasol is the world's first - and largest - oil-from-coal refinery. It is situated in Sasolburg in South Africa and provides 40% of the country's fuel.

The history of Sasol began in 1927 when a White Paper was tabled in Parliament to investigate the establishment of a South African oil-from-coal industry

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=800674

Modise said South Africans, who contributed to the fund over a life- time, were essentially “subsidising” payouts for foreigners involved in accidents. “It is criminal. But we can’t change it because we have to go through the law.

“This system of unlimited compensation, where payments are also made in foreign currency ... is unaffordable,” said Modise.

He said the Schoss matter, which was the largest road accident claim worldwide to be dealt with by the Road Accident Fund’s re-insurers, reflected “the extent of largesse in our system”.

Modise added: “To think that many first world economies are less generous than a developing economy like South Africa is sad.”

 

[PeterCH]

Modise added: “To think that many first world economies are less generous than a developing economy like South Africa is sad.”

They should insist that foreigners have insurance then when they visit SA.
I know many people who visited SA and purchased short term insurance on health, life and injury. It wasn't expensive for them either. They should make it compulsory and then exclude foreigners from these RAC payouts or at least
follow what happens abroad. I don't believe a South African who gets into an accident in New York or Sydney will get paid out.

 

[marine1]

The GOVERNMENT is ADDING ADDITIONAL TAXES to the PETROL PRICE, which is low internationally. This is not an OPEC issue, it is a TREVOR MANUEL issue in the latest budget. They are cutting individual taxes but screwing the consumer by piling on additional fuel levies. At the end they are probably taking more.

Please don't evade the issue next time. No-one here is stupid enough to believe the govt can control international fuel prices although the more powerful the country the cheaper it buys its petrol at, but besides that Manuel has added extra taxes to the fuel price hence it will go up on top of the recent increase. In other words the govt wants to make a quick buck but in the long run it will hurt the consumer and therefore the buyer who'll have less Rs to spend and so lead to less employment in SA.

Well put, thank you.

 

[supersunbird]

Well put, thank you.

Is the petrol price falling the second half of last year also the ANCs fault marine1?

Sure, this tax increase will cause it to rise, and that is the governments fault, but that is not my question. My question is on your believe that the ANC is to blame for every price increase, which means they are also to blame for every price decrease.

 

[marine1]

Is the petrol price falling the second half of last year also the ANCs fault marine1?

And you call me stupid We all know why the price fell. The ANC couldnt just keep it high after the crude price fell. Tell me why is petrol still regulated in this country?

Sure, this tax increase will cause it to rise, and that is the governments fault, but that is not my question. My question is on your believe that the ANC is to blame for every price increase, which means they are also to blame for every price decrease.

I am not saying they are to blame for EVERY increase or Decrease. I am saying the increases are not warranted when the crude price is fairly stable. I am saying the increase in fuel tax is not warranted. The ANC is making a ton of money of petrol / diesel etc in SA and we the citizens are paying the price. But I suppose this is the way we are, pay pay pay and just keep quiet.