Physically disciplining your child will soon be unlawful in South Africa

[Slootvreter]

There is more than one way to skin a cat. But yes, don't be abusive.

But a hiding is abusive!!!!!!!!

 

[eXisor]

The moment I get locked up for disciplining my child, he will either be looked after by the mother alone, or end up in the system.

It won't go there for one incident. Social workers at first, and courts after continual infractions. You'll have to be an active party to let it get that far.
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[rietrot]

Seems a bit of an overreaction in view of the many alternatives to corporal punishment. Just find another way. Others have and do.
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What about, no. I'll just do it my way.

 

[Neuk_]

If you had it would be anecdotal, at best. There is no doubt amongst Psychologists that corporal punishment has more minuses than pluses.
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Based on what I have read thus far, the psychologists weren't always assessing corporal punishment, which puts doubt in my mind as to the validity of their conclusion. Having said that, it is not that I am necessarily for physical discipline, it is more that I am not necessarily against it if it is used correctly. Unfortunately, how to determine when to use it correctly is largely a matter of opinion and open for debate, which sadly leads to legislation like this which aims to save humanity from itself. In my opinion, legislation like this does more harm than good in the long term.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Based on what I have read thus far, the psychologists weren't always assessing corporal punishment, which puts doubt in my mind as to the validity of their conclusion. Having said that, it is not that I am necessarily for physical discipline, it is more that I am not necessarily against it if it is used correctly. Unfortunately, how to determine when to use it correctly is largely a matter of opinion and open for debate, which sadly leads to legislation like this which aims to save humanity from itself. In my opinion, legislation like this does more harm than good in the long term.

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There's more to it than being prevented from giving a hiding here.

 

[eXisor]

What about, no. I'll just do it my way.

What about that's illegal and the law will protect your child from you if you do? Obstinacy on this matter is not going to be good for you or your family.
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[rietrot]

None.

To throw the ridiculousness of the question back at you:
Have you ever hit your partner?

Having kids doesn't give you any extra knowledge on the morality of hitting someone who is weaker to make them do what you want to.

Your partner is a voluntary relationship so you can't force them to bend to your will it's a negotiation and if that fails you deforce. Your kids is different, not voluntary, and you can't just divorce them. Therefore some violence might be required to make them follow your rules if they don't listen to reason.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Based on what I have read thus far, the psychologists weren't always assessing corporal punishment, which puts doubt in my mind as to the validity of their conclusion. Having said that, it is not that I am necessarily for physical discipline, it is more that I am not necessarily against it if it is used correctly. Unfortunately, how to determine when to use it correctly is largely a matter of opinion and open for debate, which sadly leads to legislation like this which aims to save humanity from itself. In my opinion, legislation like this does more harm than good in the long term.

^^
This
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[Willie Trombone]

Your partner is a voluntary relationship so you can't force them to bend to your will. Your kids is different, not voluntary, and you can't just divorce them. Therefore some violence might be required to make them follow your rules if they don't listen to reason.

I'm waiting for him to tell us he gives him/her (the partner) a stern talking to and puts him/her in the corner lol

 

[konfab]

Your partner is a voluntary relationship so you can't force them to bend to your will. Your kids is different, not voluntary, and you can't just divorce them. Therefore some violence might be required to make them follow your rules if they don't listen to reason.

On the contrary, your partner is an adult and chose to be in a relationship with you.
You as a responsible adult are solely responsible for the existence of your kids. They didn't choose you to be their parents.

Therefore the standard that you treat them should be higher.

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[eXisor]

Based on what I have read thus far, the psychologists weren't always assessing corporal punishment, which puts doubt in my mind as to the validity of their conclusion. Having said that, it is not that I am necessarily for physical discipline, it is more that I am not necessarily against it if it is used correctly. Unfortunately, how to determine when to use it correctly is largely a matter of opinion and open for debate, which sadly leads to legislation like this which aims to save humanity from itself. In my opinion, legislation like this does more harm than good in the long term.

Google some more. I've no doubt you'll find the expert consensus is against.
I believe a few generations hence, nobody will understand how corporal punishment could ever have been allowed. Kind of like not being able to beat your wife. Used to be allowed to, not anymore, and those that still do it are pariahs. I don't doubt sentiments such as those in this thread, for wife-beating, were widespread before it was outlawed, and shortly after too.
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[Slootvreter]

What about that's illegal and the law will protect your child from you if you do? Obstinacy on this matter is not going to be good for you or your family.
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Protect your child form you.

Oh the drama!

 

[rietrot]

On the contrary, your partner is an adult and chose to be in a relationship with you.
You as a responsible adult are solely responsible for the existence of your kids. They didn't choose you to be their parents.

Therefore the standard that you treat them

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That's what I said. That's why parents should disapline their kids. Physically if required.

 

[Slootvreter]

That's what I said. That's why parents should disapline their kids. Physically if required.

Yeah. For some kids, '"I'm not angry, but I'm very disappointed" works, others could not give a fck for that kind of thing. Kids are different. Hidings worked for me.

I never shot a kettie in the classroom, or on the school premises for that matter, ever again after I got 3 of the best for that one.

 

[Neuk_]

Google some more. I've no doubt you'll find the expert consensus is against.
I believe a few generations hence, nobody will understand how corporal punishment could ever have been allowed. Kind of like not being able to beat your wife. Used to be allowed to, not anymore, and those that still do it are pariahs. I don't doubt sentiments such as those in this thread, for wife-beating, were widespread before it was outlawed, and shortly after too.
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I will do more research, I have no doubt of the expert consensus, I just question how they arrived at the consensus. Your analogy is a poor one but I understand your point, what we see as 'normal' these days may be seen as backward in years to come.

 

[eXisor]

Protect your child form you.

Oh the drama!

Drama? You don't think a petrified child is deserving of a little drama?
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[Slootvreter]

Drama? You don't think a petrified child is deserving of a little drama?
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You think giving a child a hiding is assault, so there is the problem we're having.

 

[rietrot]

Drama? You don't think a petrified child is deserving of a little drama?
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Fear is useful. Kids should be afraid of certain stuff.

 

[eXisor]

I will do more research, I have no doubt of the expert consensus, I just question how they arrived at the consensus. Your analogy is a poor one but I understand your point, what we see as 'normal' these days may be seen as backward in years to come.

Why is the analogy poor? Both entail normalised violence against a group, legislation against the violence, resistance like we see in this thread, omens of doom and gloom, and then acceptance of the new norm and complete rejection of perpetrators.
Seems a really good fit to me.
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[eXisor]

Fear is useful. Kids should be afraid of certain stuff.

Stuff like a parent?
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