Pick your Springbok 22 for 2009

[Devill]

Yes I know its a bit early and a lot can still happen buuuut I want to see who you guys think are the 22 that we should send with current injuries to some players.

1. -Guthro Steenkamp
2. -John Smit
3. -Tendai Mtawarira
4. -Bakkies Botha
5. -Victor Matfield
6. -Juan Smith
7. -Schalk Burger
8. -Piere Spies
9. -Fourie du preez
10. -Butch James
11. -Bryan habana
12. -Jean de Villiers (I take it he will be ready for the 1st test)
13. -Jacques Fourie (PdV says he is to play fullback Him + JdV = best centre combo IMO)
14. -JP Pietersen (Experience is what gets him the jersey ahead of Akona)
15. -Stefan Terblanche (Best fullback atm)
16. -Bismarck du Plessis
17. -Jannie du Plessis
18. -Heinrich Brussow (Just to damn good not to pick)
19. -Danie Rossouw (He can play lock, 8th man or flanker but I have a feeling Kanko will get this slot)
20. -Wynand Olivier (Rather adi jacobs if he recovers in time) / Ruan Pienaar
21. -Rory Kocket (will increase the pace in the last 20-15 mins, also a kicker if butch is having a bad day or hurt)
22. -Akona Nungane/Nokwe

 

[Ou grote]

Lots of Stormers in your team

 

[Devill]

Lots of Stormers in your team

Yeah its cause they are burning up the S14 with their great play

Spies is another freak of nature. He burst onto the international scene last year with the strength of a bear and the speed of a puma. Just like the comic hero Bravestar, Spies seemed super-human in his ability to outpace backlines, outmuscle tight-forwards and generally out-rugby seasoned veterans.

http://www.sarugby.com/news/News/article/sid=6595.html

Im sure stuff like this is written about most of the Stormers players

 

[gifs]

Isn't Butch James injured and out for the rest of the season?

EDIT: Looks like he is out for 9 months:

http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/sport/Butch-James-months-knee-injury/article-934570-detail/article.html

 

[stix]

// Taking into account selecting overseas players i would like to see the following

1 - Beast
2 - Smit
3 - BJ Botha
4 - Bakkies
5 - Vic
6 - Schalla
7 - Smith
8 - Kankowski
9 - Du Preez
10 - Pienaar
11 - Habana
12 - de Villiers
13 - Jacobs
14 - JP
15 - Monty
16 - Bismarck
17 - Guthro
18 - Brussow
19 - Russouw
20 - Nokwe
21 - Fourie
22 - Grant

I would like to fit Spies in.....So Brussow might be in danger of the boot...Or alternatively Schall might move to the bench - god knows his form warrants some time on the sideline

 

[Devill]

Jacobs looks to be out

Monty is also out.

 

[Pitbull]

Yes I know its a bit early and a lot can still happen buuuut I want to see who you guys think are the 22 that we should send with current injuries to some players.

I used your list with a few changes

1. -Guthro Steenkamp
2. -John Smit (Bismarck du Plessis)
3. -Tendai Mtawarira (BJ botha)
4. -Bakkies Botha
5. -Victor Matfield (Andries Bekker)
6. -Juan Smith
7. -Schalk Burger
8. -Piere Spies (Kankowski)
9. -Fourie du preez (Ruan Pienaar)
10. -Butch James (Andrè Pretorius)
11. -Bryan habana
12. -Jean de Villiers
13. -Jacques Fourie (Wynand Olivier)
14. -Akona
15. -Louis Ludik
    

I need to still come up with a full back .... will think about it for a while (I would have given it to Janjies now I just don't know. As for my other Replacement, it will be that pole of a man that played the last few Springbok matches, I just can't recall his name now. Will have to check that quickly.

Bismark for Hooker, he is currently the best hooker, just not a captain so that is the reason he's on the bench.

BJ Botha - Obvious choice

Kankowski - Obvious choice, but also doubles as a replacement Flanker

Ruan Pienaar - for Scrummy, Centre and Fullback

Andrè Pretorius (Would select Francois Steyn if he's fit) - Purely just because of his experience. He lacks game time currently and is not up to scratch.

Wynand Olivier - Obvious choice again

* Will check those 2 (Fullback and Lock replacement) spots quickly will edit my spot now.

Edit: Andries Bekker is the Lock I was looking for.

 

[Devill]

You thinking of Johan muller or Andries Bekker ? (lock)

 

[Ou grote]

Yeah its cause they are burning up the S14 with their great play



http://www.sarugby.com/news/News/article/sid=6595.html

Im sure stuff like this is written about most of the Stormers players

Spies isn't that good anymore.
Kankowski and Watson are better.

 

[Pitbull]

You thinking of Johan muller or Andries Bekker ? (lock)

Andries Bekker

Got it

 

[Devill]

Spies isn't that good anymore.
Kankowski and Watson are better.

Spies is better than Kanko IMO, and I doubt if luke will ever be picked for the Boks again because it is after all a team sport

Also the springbok setup is very different to a provincial setup like the Weepee.. At the boks they might be looking for a stronger runner and less of a fetcher type because they have 2 awesome flankers and a fast hooker (bismarck not fat john ). All depends on what you want from an 8th man.

 

[Pitbull]

Spies isn't that good anymore.
Kankowski and Watson are better.

lol ?

huh ?

No ways. The only reason he is currently outshined is because of the game the bulls are playing. There was a tight game here and there where they fell back to the foward game they play so well and he rised head and shoulders above each and every no8 the world has to offer. That guy is insane when the game revolves around the forward pack, which in a test.... is what will happen.

 

[Pitbull]

Spies is better than Kanko IMO, and I doubt if luke will ever be picked for the Boks again because it is after all a team sport

Also the springbok setup is very different to a provincial setup like the Weepee.. At the boks they might be looking for a stronger runner and less of a fetcher type because they have 2 awesome flankers and a fast hooker (bismarck not fat john ). All depends on what you want from an 8th man.

You got it spot on

I'm still having a problem with a fullback no one is good enough for my team

 

[Bizkit87]

don't you guys think Spies will be better at starting 8'th man, with Kankowski comming on as impact player, last 20?

and (no, im not a lions supporter ) but why has nobody mentioned Ludik, or Mentz? they look like the standouts of a very average lions team (and no, don't say its because they play in a team that sucks, then you have to get rid of all the stormers players as well?)

 

[Devill]

You got it spot on

I'm still having a problem with a fullback no one is good enough for my team

Terblanche is the on form man, Ludick and Zane Kirchner are just behind him atm.

Not Jantjes not there because of injury to his leg.

don't you guys think Spies will be better at starting 8'th man, with Kankowski comming on as impact player, last 20?

and (no, im not a lions supporter ) but why has nobody mentioned Ludik, or Mentz? they look like the standouts of a very average lions team (and no, don't say its because they play in a team that sucks, then you have to get rid of all the stormers players as well?)

Ludik would have been there if there was another spot, I believe atm that it is between Ludik and Zane K (bulls) for the full back position in 2 years time(I am leaning towards Ludik atm) but for the Lions tour this year I would pick expierence in the form of Terblanche.



@ alf: Go read this article >> http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Ru...8af841b6f3cb3424//Bok_No_8_Kankowski_or_Spies

 

[Pitbull]

don't you guys think Spies will be better at starting 8'th man, with Kankowski comming on as impact player, last 20?

and (no, im not a lions supporter ) but why has nobody mentioned Ludik, or Mentz? they look like the standouts of a very average lions team (and no, don't say its because they play in a team that sucks, then you have to get rid of all the stormers players as well?)

Transformation keeps them out of my team.

Mentz is having a killer of a return I hope he goes from strengh to strengh

 

[Pitbull]

You guys know what.

I'll put Ludik as my Fullback. I think he's better than that guy from the Bulls tbh
So my team is full now

 

[Devill]

You guys know what.

I'll put Ludik as my Fullback. I think he's better than that guy from the Bulls tbh
So my team is full now

I would 10-1 field ludik if it was only the tri-nations but seeing as we are playing the Lions as well ill opt for the experienced mr terblanche.

 

[Morgoth]

what is your opinion onMorne Steyn as flyhalf? his been doing a great job for the bulls.

 

[Devill]

what is your opinion onMorne Steyn as flyhalf? his been doing a great job for the bulls.

Yeah he has but there is a big difference in being good on s14 level and being good at tri-nations level. I personally don't think he has what it will take to be a international good/great flyhalf. He has a bit of a bully mentallity, as was seen saturday when he got that yellow card and that does not help a flyhalf at all. Also he seems to have 1 bad/non-good game for every 4 he plays.

Maybe I am wrong. He has improved by leaps and bounds in the last year (kicking for goal, drop goals, defence, attack and line kicks), so maybe if he continues to grow and curbs his bully/bad-ass-wannabe attitude he could be the next bok flyhalf.

But I doubt it.