Police assault on unarmed man in Fish Hoek

[Cosmik Debris]

Are you serious do they ignore stuff like that?

eNCA would have had screaming headlines if it was white cops hitting a black guy. Remember the Clifton beach incident?

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

The BIG question is..

the guy being beat up, does he have a criminal record, is he high on fentanyl, does he have an arrest warrant on his name, is he resisting arrest or does he have fake rand notes ???????????

or these cops just abusing their power.

Yes - these cops are pieces of shidt.

 

[RonSwanson]

An important lesson to learn in Sa is if someone is stupid that doesn’t give you an open license to respond in kind. Calling a cop a useless cnt might be justified but know that you may get your a55 kicked for your contribution, or worse.

Indeed. Nathaniel Julies a55 kicking was from a pump-action shotgun held by a undertrained, uncontrolled and deadly moron.

Some sobering stats, note that these are only the reported ones:

Reported cases of torture and assault committed by South African police​

Year	Torture	Assault
2009/10	5	920
2010/11*	-	-
2011/12	80	1,145
2012/13	50	4,131
2013/14	78	3,916
2014/15	145	3,711
2015/16	145	3,509
2016/17	173	3,827
2017/18	217	3,661
2018/19	270	3,835

Note: The above cases were reported to South Africa’s Independent Police Investigative Directorate. *Figures for 2010/11 were mysteriously not available. Source: Independent Police Investigative Directorate

​

And this for "Incidents". Note that multiple deaths could occur within one incident of death in police custody, because data on the number of deceased is not available​

​

Incidents of death in police custody and deaths as a result of police action in South Africa:​

Year	Incidents* of death in police custody	Death as a result of police action
2009/10	294	566
2010/11	257	544
2011/12	232	488
2012/13	275	485
2013/14	234	409
2014/15	244	423
2015/16	216	400
2016/17	302	467
2017/18	201	558
2018/19	214	440

*Note: Multiple deaths could occur within one incident of death in police custody. Data on the number of deceased is not available. Source: Independent Police Investigative Directorate

South African Police Are Undertrained, Uncontrolled, and Deadly

A disabled teenager’s killing underscores endemic police brutality.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[surface]

He either got beaten because he did something wrong.

Or he got beaten for standing up against something that is wrong.


It is just so convenient that the video gives zero context.

Or he did nothing wrong and this is how minorities are persecuted every day - mybb version.

 

[mojoman]

Or he did nothing wrong and this is how minorities are persecuted every day - mybb version.

Can you smell that?
Smells like CRAP...

 

[Craig_]

More information would allow us to make a more toned comment - on this video.

Still doesn't make the lack of restraint on the part of SAPS right, considering the guy was not armed - in the video, was not retaliating - in the video.

Race shouldn't even come into it - that's the concerning part. Its an obsession in SA.

Equally - no amount of information on this particular video can erase the fact that SAPS are facing claims amounting to almost ZAR60bn nor will it erase the fact that the SAPS literally can get away with murder.

All true, we all know that our cops are untrained ( seemingly) brainless morons with God complexes, why out yourself at their mercy and taunt them. If they are crooked just whip out your phone and expose them, you'll almost always come short if you get into a dick measuring contest with these fools.

The police have their own video so if they lashed out at him they would have reason for it, I think this guy assaulted the police first

Even if he did, they should've subdued him. And then beat him up later out of the public eye. Assuming he did act in a criminal manner. If he didn't, then they're in a world of crap now.

 

[mojoman]

All true, we all know that our cops are untrained ( seemingly) brainless morons with God complexes, why out yourself at their mercy and taunt them. If they are crooked just whip out your phone and expose them, you'll almost always come short if you get into a dick measuring contest with these fools.


Even if he did, they should've subdued him. And then beat him up later out of the public eye. Assuming he did act in a criminal manner. If he didn't, then they're in a world of crap now.

Unlikely....This is the police force the cANCer wants...
White or black this is what you will get...

 

[Craig_]

Unlikely....This is the police force the cANCer wants...
White or black this is what you will get...

Probably true. Sadly.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

WC Community Safety MEC Allen welcomes Ipid probe of police assault video

Western Cape SAPS said that preliminary findings revealed that the two policemen in the video were from Fish Hoek SAPS and had responded to a complaint in the area about a missing individual.

ewn.co.za

Western Cape SAPS said that preliminary findings revealed that the two policemen in the video were from Fish Hoek SAPS and had responded to a complaint in the area about a missing individual.

SAPS further stated that it was investigating the conduct of the policemen captured in the video.

"The conduct of the SAPS members in this video is alarming and deeply concerning. I've engaged the provincial commissioner's office in this regard and have been informed that the matter is currently being investigated by SAPS internally to see if they have flouted any disciplinary prescripts. Investigations against SAPS members are primarily conducted by Ipid. I am pleased that the SAPS hierarchy in the province has seen the seriousness of this matter and is following a two-pronged approach in this matter," MEC Allen said.

 

[Phylax]

Don't be that g...
/Never mind

I'm that guy, get use to it.

 

[Bewlen]

Don't be that g...
/Never mind

So edgy.

 

[Spizz]

Seems like the whole station is rotten to the core. CPF go to find out what is happening and they are treated hostilely, and then surprise, surprise, even they are then accused of racism by one desk Sergeant.

Cape Times

 

[mojoman]

Seems like the whole station is rotten to the core. CPF go to find out what is happening and they are treated hostilely, and then surprise, surprise, even they are then accused of racism by one desk Sergeant.

Cape Times

Cele's finest....

 

[Flanders]

Well they always said WC was racist...

This guy probably ate into their drinking time. I know some folks who get quite uptight if people talk shop during happy hour.

 

[mojoman]

Well they always said WC was racist...

This guy probably ate into their drinking time. I know some folks who get quite uptight if people talk shop during happy hour.

They probably had their own criminal activities to crack on with...
Time is money....

 

[Pudding McTwinkle]

CPF people are white I presume, must be racist.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

Seems like the whole station is rotten to the core. CPF go to find out what is happening and they are treated hostilely, and then surprise, surprise, even they are then accused of racism by one desk Sergeant.

Cape Times

Part of the problem - and its not confined to the WC - is that the rank of an SC is determined by the size of the area that the station services.

Unfortunately, SAPS is as political as it comes.

So, for example - FH may need a Colonel to run the station and often, a Lt Colonel will be promoted ad hoc to fill the position because he is a mate of the sector or cluster commander. Skills are the LAST thing that is considered, but without exception - every promotion is littered with stories of how good the cop is.

The SCs are supposed to be rotated to stop cronyism and corruption - well - that just doesn't work because the SC never gets to settle in.

CPFs are legislated but SAPS don't always like to work with them - mainly because they hold the SAPS to account.

I hate to be the one to say it - but SAPS is broken. From my experience - people would far sooner use private security and neighborhood watches than call SAPS.

That aside - VISPOL - the community policing arm - was disbanded in 2020 and we all know what Cele thinks of community policing ..........

 

[Cosmik Debris]

CPFs are legislated but SAPS don't always like to work with them - mainly because they hold the SAPS to account.

I have several years CPF experience at senior level. As it stands, no CPF can function correctly because:

1. Selection. The CPF has to be elected by community members. This results in politicians getting their voters and candidates to the election and I have seen a garden boy who cannot write, has no email, phone nor computer and no management experience elected to chairman. Populists and pastors are the next most popular nominees.

2. The SAPS close shop and withhold information from the CPF. They are often involved in crime themselves and no CPF member can trust the SAPS with information about crime and SAPS involvement.

3. There is no way a CPF can hold the SAPS accountable. No CPF member may even read the occurrence (OB) book in the charge office. No docket may be read and even accounts for travel or vehicle repairs are all confidential and not for the CPF's information.

4. The CPF has to utilise information on crime given by the police. The number and type of occurrences are given but never names or locations so it's impossible for a CPF to draw up a hotspot map and make plans to counter the problem.

Until laws are enacted that give CPF's teeth, they will remain pooh - poohed by the SAPS and used for show only. The only way to give a CPF teeth is to:

1. Applications with CV's need to be submitted and then the selection done after an interview by senior police and independent HR group appointed from a company. Naturally the aspirant member needs to be cleared and capable of keeping information confidential.

2. The OB book needs to be open to CPF members.

3. Should there be any suspicion regarding accounts, a CPF member should be appointed to investigate and the accounts should be available.

4. When a CPF member has substantial information on a bent cop, they should be able to request a hawks member to assist them without the local SAPS knowing.

Otherwise the CPFs just remain a sideshow.

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

I have several years CPF experience at senior level. As it stands, no CPF can function correctly because:

1. Selection. The CPF has to be elected by community members. This results in politicians getting their voters and candidates to the election and I have seen a garden boy who cannot write, has no email, phone nor computer and no management experience elected to chairman. Populists and pastors are the next most popular nominees.

2. The SAPS close shop and withhold information from the CPF. They are often involved in crime themselves and no CPF member can trust the SAPS with information about crime and SAPS involvement.

3. There is no way a CPF can hold the SAPS accountable. No CPF member may even read the occurrence (OB) book in the charge office. No docket may be read and even accounts for travel or vehicle repairs are all confidential and not for the CPF's information.

4. The CPF has to utilise information on crime given by the police. The number and type of occurrences are given but never names or locations so it's impossible for a CPF to draw up a hotspot map and make plans to counter the problem.

Until laws are enacted that give CPF's teeth, they will remain pooh - poohed by the SAPS and used for show only. The only way to give a CPF teeth is to:

1. Applications with CV's need to be submitted and then the selection done after an interview by senior police and independent HR group appointed from a company. Naturally the aspirant member needs to be cleared and capable of keeping information confidential.

2. The OB book needs to be open to CPF members.

3. Should there be any suspicion regarding accounts, a CPF member should be appointed to investigate and the accounts should be available.

4. When a CPF member has substantial information on a bent cop, they should be able to request a hawks member to assist them without the local SAPS knowing.

Otherwise the CPFs just remain a sideshow.

That’s because CPF is not SAPS
CPF are still civilians and are treated as such

 

[Cosmik Debris]

That’s because CPF = SAPS
CPF are still civilians and are treated as such

CPF are not members of the SAPS. They have no warrant card and no powers of arrest. An SAPS civilian admin clerk is a member of the SAPS. No CPF member is a member of the SAPS.