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Political Correctness at Universities (US).

saor

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The conversation up to this point has nothing much to do with the topic of this thread - so no need to listen to the whole thing. Listen from 1:34:10 for the the topic of political correctness at universities from the perspective of a lecturer in the US. Quite unreal how the scientific opinion of lecturers is being stifled for fear of reprimand / backlash.

[video=youtube;UVwNddfWldk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVwNddfWldk[/video]
 
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With all this PC bullshyte people are taking a step backwards, so what if someone gets a little offended, take it on the chin and move on.
 

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With all this PC bullshyte people are taking a step backwards, so what if someone gets a little offended, take it on the chin and move on.
Aye, but try getting that across to these people who feel their very well-being is imposed upon by ideas they don't agree with. And in many cases it's not even the idea itself that so offends them - it's the mere suggesting of an idea that offends them.
 

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The Atlantic has had a number of very good articles on the topic:

The Glaring Evidence That Free Speech Is Threatened on Campus

A debate at Yale highlighted the disconnect between those who would downplay the problem, and the growing mass of evidence that they’re wrong.
Free-Speech Advocates Are Not Trying to Silence Students: A recurring falsehood in the ongoing debate about campus culture, politics, and policy

And finally this one, co-authored by Johathan Haidt (from the podcast in the OP). His book, The Righteous Mind, sounds like a must-read, too.

The Coddling of the American Mind: In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.
 

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This is unfortunately what a modern day liberal is. Little in common with the civil rights protesters of yesteryear.
 

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We can't blame the students alone. They didn't come up with the rhetoric of victimhood they're using.
 
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The brain damage intensifies.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/07/the-college-that-wants-to-ban-history.html
The College That Wants to Ban ‘History’
The history department might someday become the hxstory department, if the students in the Assembly for Power and Liberation have their way.

Students at Western Washington University have reached a turning point in their campus’s hxstory. (For one thing, they’re now spelling it with an X—more on that later.) Activists are demanding the creation of a new college dedicated to social justice activism, a student committee to police offensive speech, and culturally segregated living arrangements at the school, which is in Bellingham, up in the very northwest corner of the state.

Students have the right to push for robust changes to campus conditions, of course. But if administrators care about free speech at all, they will ignore these calls to create an almost cartoonishly autocratic liberal thought police on campus.

WWU’s student-activist community—the frightening-sounding Assembly for Power and Liberation—made their demands public last week. The document begins by noting that the activists crashed a Feb. 12 Board of Trustees meeting in order to demand “accountability for the violence enacted on this campus,” and were subsequently surprised that none of the trustees accepted an invitation to come to an assembly meeting to “take accountability.” Pro-tip, students: If you ruin other people’s meetings, don’t be surprised when they skip out on yours.

The most substantial of the activists’ demands is a call for a new college that would essentially train students to become social justice warriors (a term often applied derogatorily by critics of leftism that nevertheless seems appropriate here). WWU must meet the needs of this new “College of Power and Liberation” by immediately hiring 10 faculty members—subject to the approval of student-activists. Finding the money to do all this is solely the responsibility of WWU’s administration, “whose accountability to students should be expressed through their fervent advocacy for students’ needs at both the local and state levels,” according to the activists, who want an extra $50,000 to throw a kick-off party for the new college. Another $45,000 will go toward paying students to do “de-colonial work on campus,” whatever that means.

Activists have also demanded the creation of an Office for Social Transformation, which would employ 15 students—young Robespierres in training—for the purposes of monitoring “racist, anti-black, transphobic, cissexist, misogynistic, ableist, homophobic, Islamophobic, and otherwise oppressive behavior on campus.” (Anti-Semitism, one notes, is curiously omitted.) These students will be granted terrifying powers to discipline faculty members who commit microaggressions. Professors—even tenured professors—can and will be placed under investigation if they are accused of maintaining insufficiently safe spaces within their classrooms.

These measures are hailed as “progressive” by the activists—because what could be more progressive than committees of liberal extremists conducting thoughtcrime investigations?

The third serious demand is for the creation of new residence halls geared around specific cultural identities. Students claim the goal is for people from different backgrounds to live together and make new connections. But if this were true, no new dorm arrangements would be necessary—different people living together is what happens at college by default. Reading between the lines, it sounds like student-activists actually want the opposite: They want to create residential safe spaces built around certain exclusive group identities.

The result of such arrangements would be a form of de facto cultural segregation that one might expect students would oppose if they were actual progressives. In any case, these communities will be policed by residential advisors tasked with the specific goal of creating social justice activism programs. As with the proposal for “oppression studies” in the dorms at American University, it seems like the idea is to turn the campus into a zone of liberal ideological conformity from which there is no escape.

Keep in mind that WWU is already an extremely liberal campus with a number of social justice-oriented activities: it has a department of Education and Social Justice, a Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies program, a Queer Resource Center, a Social Issues Resource Center, and an Ethnic Student Center.

And there’s nothing wrong with that. These programs undoubtedly have much to offer, and contribute to the rich intellectual culture of the university. But there must come a point at which adding more and more far-left instructional options actually detracts from the campus’s intellectual diversity. Besides, the student-activists don’t want to just add more options—they want to push them on everybody.

At the heart of this effort lies a bizarrely totalitarian ideology: Student-activists think they have all the answers—everything is settled, and people who dissent are not merely wrong, but actually guilty of something approaching a crime. If they persist in this wrongness, they are perpetuating violence, activists will claim.

The list of demands ends with a lengthy denunciation of WWU’s marginalization of “hxstorically oppressed students.” The misspelling is intentional: “hxstory,” I presume, was judged to be more PC than “history,” which is gendered, triggering, and perhaps violent. It’s easy for me to laugh at these clumsy attempts to make language obey the dictates of political correctness—but I laugh from a position of relative safety, since I am not a WWU professor.

On the other hand, if a member of campus were to insist on the proper spelling of the word, would he or she (or xe) have to answer to the Committee for Social Transformation?
 
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Aye, but try getting that across to these people who feel their very well-being is imposed upon by ideas they don't agree with. And in many cases it's not even the idea itself that so offends them - it's the mere suggesting of an idea that offends them.
Laugh in their faces and move on. And if they find that offensive, laugh at that too.

If everyone keeps laughing at them until they say something that actually deserves respect, well, either they'll learn their lesson or we'll have a self-perpetuating form of entertainment. Win-win? :whistling:
 

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Students have always been over the top when comes to politics, being PC etc. Part of growing up. As soon as they sober up and their hormones stabilise they become as full of sh##t as the rest of us :)

Actually, I think they are a lot calmer than the 60's and the 70's. Now that lot where bat sh##t crazy :)
 
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Students have always been over the top when comes to politics, being PC etc. Part of growing up. As soon as they sober up and their hormones stabilise they become as full of sh##t as the rest of us :)
Plenty of them grow up to be lecturers and teachers who continue their descent into madness and nonsense pseudo-intellectualism trying to "out extreme" each other while indoctrinating the next generation and destroying academic institutions. Others setup/infiltrate lobby groups, organisations and companies, and all of a sudden being a whiny c*** is what actually puts food on their table. It's an industry now, and it is having very serious consequences. They had to carve out most of these spaces because social science degrees are practically useless otherwise. They have to create problems in order to justify their own existence.

You say it's just part of growing up, but this ideology actually regresses them into small children, quite frankly. They sht their pants, start crying and throwing tantrums over literally nothing. They want to play the victim.

It's the same strategy of control that toddlers use, except toddlers have an excuse, they're toddlers.
Observe children, who cry and scream in order to be pitied, and therefore wait for the moment when they will be noticed - Nietzsche
These people are so bat sht crazy because of cavalier attitudes like yours. Westerners totally dropped the ball on this sht.

They dropped the ball in the 60's and they never even bothered to pick it back up.

When Christianity collapsed, that was our chance to destroy that moral value system, but that didn't happen. People simply threw away God, kept the base of that moral value system, and then pushed those values to new extremes, and they are still doing so today.

[video=youtube;f5DMLpEallU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5DMLpEallU[/video]
 
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UC-Davis Students: Sumo Wrestling Fat Suit Amounts to Anti-Asian Racism, White Supremacy

The student government of the University of California-Davis apologized to members of campus who were offended by a sumo wrestling activity that was available during a recent outdoor social event. But a mere apology isn't good enough for students who say the sumo suit appropriated Japanese culture.

One of the offended is now insisting on mandatory cultural competency training. Another student wrote that he felt fat-shamed by the incident and that he is entitled to "reparations payments." One student said sumo suits amount to "white supremacist anti-Asian structural racism." Another said, "I don't appreciate the blatant Fat-Shaming involved with caricaturing one of the few sports traditionally enjoyed by Heavy individuals."
 

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Plenty of them grow up to be lecturers and teachers who continue their descent into madness and nonsense pseudo-intellectualism trying to "out extreme" each other while indoctrinating the next generation and destroying academic institutions. Others setup/infiltrate lobby groups, organisations and companies, and all of a sudden being a whiny c*** is what actually puts food on their table. It's an industry now, and it is having very serious consequences. They had to carve out most of these spaces because social science degrees are practically useless otherwise. They have to create problems in order to justify their own existence.

You say it's just part of growing up, but this ideology actually regresses them into small children, quite frankly. They sht their pants, start crying and throwing tantrums over literally nothing. They want to play the victim.

It's the same strategy of control that toddlers use, except toddlers have an excuse, they're toddlers.


These people are so bat sht crazy because of cavalier attitudes like yours. Westerners totally dropped the ball on this sht.

They dropped the ball in the 60's and they never even bothered to pick it back up.

When Christianity collapsed, that was our chance to destroy that moral value system, but that didn't happen. People simply threw away God, kept the base of that moral value system, and then pushed those values to new extremes, and they are still doing so today.

[video=youtube;f5DMLpEallU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5DMLpEallU[/video]
Lol. Ok........
 
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In the last 2 weeks in the US

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7391
St. Patrick’s Day deemed ‘cultural appropriation’...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7395
Brown students protest trans speaker because she was hosted by Jewish group...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7385
Liberal Hokies blast famous 'Bell Curve' expert as racist...

Charles Murray wrote 'The Bell Curve' in 1994 with co-author Richard Herrnstein.
Students and faculty argue the book promotes racism, classism, and misogyny and say he shouldn't speak on campus...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7384
New Orleans student gov. leader says 'right-handed people' need to check their privilege...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7378
'BlackOut' student protesters demand end to 'oppressive' standardized testing...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7377
In the wake of student protests that have toppled administrators across the country, a number of college and university presidents say they have become more interested in implementing diversity initiatives...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7375
The Stanford Review’s petition to bring Western Civilization courses back to Stanford has been met with some backlash.

Western Civilization courses have been absent from Stanford’s curriculum since the 1980’s when, according to a New York Times article, Rev. Jesse Jackson marched with students to remove the courses. Jackson, along with students, chanted “hey hey, ho ho, Western culture’s got to go.” Protesters complained that the Western culture course had “European-Western and male bias...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7369
The Associated Students of Colorado State University (ASCSU) voted to pass a “Diversity Bill” Wednesday night after ten senators were threatened with impeachment for voting against the same bill earlier last week...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7367
UC Davis Women’s Center offers 'mind spa services' for those upset by pro-life display...

The women's center also recruited volunteers to provide 'umbrella escorts' for protesters who didn't want to stand in the sun....
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7365
Pitt students harass classmate while denouncing hate speech..
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7362
Despite gaining a concession from their university’s president to implement mandatory sensitivity training, spend $1 million on a multi-cultural center, and revise the curriculum to emphasize diversity issues, student protesters at Providence College say they are not satisfied with Fr. Brian Shanley’s action plan...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7359
USC student senator faces impeachment for being conservative...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7356
Congressional Dems dismiss concerns about censorship on campus...
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7353
Yale recently suffered national controversy after an administrator's defense of free speech resulted the administrator's resignation...

A majority of students who attended a debate on free speech at Yale University Tuesday left convinced that First Amendment rights are threatened on college campuses, especially their own.

According to a survey conducted after the debate, 66 percent of audience members agreed with the motion that free speech is threatened on college campuses. A separate survey conducted before the debate showed that only 49 percent agreed with the motion, meaning 17 percent of students who were surveyed changed their minds on the issue during the debate....
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7352
Students face impeachment, year-long social probation for 'tequila' themed party...

Party attendees are also facing disciplinary action; a host was placed on social probation, banned from social events, and kicked out of her dorm room....

Earlier this week, Bowdoin administrators launched an investigation into “an act of ethnic stereotyping” when a group of students allegedly hosted a racially charged party. Students were encouraged to bring tequila to the party and some students were photographed wearing sombreros....

The resolution demanded that administrators create a “supportive space” for students who felt targeted by the party....
 
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You should be celebrating, Trigun. What do you think the natural human reaction to this is going to be? :p
I will save the celebrations for when my job is done.

I suppose a lot of people think it's just the universities that give the time of day to this insanity, but that's incorrect.
Their ideology is being fully embraced and funded by corporates, a lot of mainstream media, and governments.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/27/nyc-will-fine-you-250000-for-misgendering-a-transsexual/
NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual...

Did you call a transsexual person “he” or “she” when they preferred to be called “zhe?”...

In the latest, astonishing act of draconian political correctness, the NYC Commission on Human Rights have updated a law on “Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression” to threaten staggering financial penalties against property owners who “misgender” employees or tenants.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-baffled-affirmative-consent-sex-regulations/
The upshot of the breathless crusade against the alleged epidemic of campus sexual assaults has been the imposition of “affirmative consent” or “yes means yes” laws in New York and California...

People our age never imagined the once-future spectacle of nervous youths trying to figure out elaborate, multi-stage verbal contracts for sexual intimacy, amid the heat of passion and the cold fear of mistakes that can bring harsh legal consequences, particularly for young men..

The most telling criticism of this dopey law is that proof of positive verbal consent during every stage of an intimate encounter is nearly impossible to obtain, especially since partners are meant to establish ongoing consent at every stage of an escalating sexual encounter...

One of the students half-jokingly talks about obtaining a signed contract from every romantic partner. Frankly, under the logic of “affirmative consent,” that wouldn’t be good enough. People could claim they were pressured into signing the contracts without reading them, perhaps because they were inebriated. “Ongoing” consent would call for a stack of contracts, to be reviewed and signed at key moments as the evening unfolds...
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I will save the celebrations for when my job is done.

I suppose a lot of people think it's just the universities that give the time of day to this insanity, but that's incorrect.
Their ideology is being fully embraced and funded by corporates, a lot of mainstream media, and governments.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/27/nyc-will-fine-you-250000-for-misgendering-a-transsexual/



http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-baffled-affirmative-consent-sex-regulations/


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