Polo GTI 1.4 TSI advice

[rodga]

No, I totally agree with you, I found it ridiculous. As do I find this commonality of brakes no longer being covered by the service plan. I remember the Golf V GTI covering brakes under the service plans back then...

Golf 5 Gti came std with 5yr/60k km mplan. Which covers brakes. Golf 6 GTi comes std with a service plan. Which doesn't cover wear and tear items.

 

[Gulio]

Brembo brake system DOES NOT equal Brembo pads.

Doesn't even equal Brembo discs, it's just the calipers generally.

And even then it's nothing as special as the real deal and just there for branding to make Hothatch owners feel amazing about themselves.

ATE probably makes the same parts for other cars with the same performance without the name you pay for.

Presumably the Polo also uses ATE like the big brother. Just because it's Brembo doesn't necessarily make it better or for that matter more expensive.

Replacing the entire system in any car is expensive but almost never necessary.

Quote for funnies lol
So the OPC only has brembo calipers and not pads and discs? Sounds like a case for CPA.

 

[I.am.Sam]

This one, as did Messugga

so you and him go on lunch runs ...while the GTIs go for brekkie runs

 

[SauRoNZA]

Quote for funnies lol
So the OPC only has brembo calipers and not pads and discs? Sounds like a case for CPA.

Well from what I can find only the Nürburgring Edition has the "Brembo brake system".

They don't specify which parts of it are actually Brembo.

But I'm taking a guess that as with motorcycles the calipers and maybe the discs will be Brembo not the pads.

Regardless even if every part is Brembo it doesn't mean you need to replace it with Brembo.

 

[Gulio]

Well from what I can find only the Nürburgring Edition has the "Brembo brake system".

They don't specify which parts of it are actually Brembo.

But I'm taking a guess that as with motorcycles the calipers and maybe the discs will be Brembo not the pads.

Regardless even if every part is Brembo it doesn't mean you need to replace it with Brembo.

I thnik it would be nice and yes, recommended to use the Brembo pads and discs.
Yes you can use pirate parts and mess up your nice car with all its fancy branded bits but whats the point then?
If you going to be thrifty with your maintenance of your R300 000 hot hatch why buy it in the first place?

VW uses Ferrodos, they cheap and is a quality product. Whether you buy from the dealers or a spares shop its the same product you replacing.
With the Corsa I believe you doing your car a disservice by using a cheaper branded part in your world class leading braking system.

 

[manu55]

The Polo might be R200 cheaper at R293,900 vs R 294,100 for the Corsa, but you get a lot less. Less power at higher rpm, less torque, no service plan and a less sporty looking 5 door body.

Polo has a quicker 0-100 (6.9 Polo vs 7.1 Corsa), ok 10kw less, but more torque (250nm polo vs 230nm Corsa). So power doesn't always matter, especially when the GTI is 200kgs lighter.

 

[manu55]

how small is that boot?

Tiny. Its a bit larger then width of a spare tyre. I'm constantly having to put one seat down when transporting things, so I've just left it down now.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I thnik it would be nice and yes, recommended to use the Brembo pads and discs.
Yes you can use pirate parts and mess up your nice car with all its fancy branded bits but whats the point then?
If you going to be thrifty with your maintenance of your R300 000 hot hatch why buy it in the first place?

VW uses Ferrodos, they cheap and is a quality product. Whether you buy from the dealers or a spares shop its the same product you replacing.
With the Corsa I believe you doing your car a disservice by using a cheaper branded part in your world class leading braking system.

Who said anything about pirate parts? We aren't talking about Bembo's here, just alternative manufactures.

Italian parts are only as expensive as they are due to crazy export duties. More money doesn't necessarily equal better performance in all cases, although Brembo is obviously one of the best braking products in the world.

VW also uses ATE not Ferodo as far as I know.


But please do take the brake callipers off your OPS tonight and post some pictures of the pads, I'm still not convinced that there will actually be Brembo pads in there. Brakes systems consist of a huge bunch on components often disregarded and that's where the real Brembo difference comes in with the calliper, master cylinders and hoses.

I find no specific evidence online of the particular parts in the car that are actually Brembo branded not replacement parts but I'll put in some effort to find them now.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Brembo Original Equipment

http://www.brembo.com/en/car/original-equipment/products/Pages/default.aspx

Note a complete lack of brake pads...

They do make them since they do exist as part of their aftermarket product range, but don't you think it's a little strange that they don't list them under OE?

 

[rodga]

Brembo Original Equipment

http://www.brembo.com/en/car/original-equipment/products/Pages/default.aspx

Note a complete lack of brake pads...

They do make them since they do exist as part of their aftermarket product range, but don't you think it's a little strange that they don't list them under OE?

from your link

Modules

A braking system consists of a number of different components that have to work together as a totally integrated and highly efficient system to ensure reliability, comfort and durability.
Brembo can ensure this degree of total integration thanks to an exclusive approach that considers the system as a whole - an approach that necessitates an in-depth knowledge of every element involved in braking. Brembo is one of the very few brands capable of taking this whole-system approach as it manufactures all the components involved in braking (discs, calipers, pads and hub carriers) in-house, which it then assembles them to supply its clients with complete, integrated modules and meet the requisites for light weight, performance, comfort and style demanded for the world's most exclusive high-performance automobiles.

 

[Gulio]

Who said anything about pirate parts? We aren't talking about Bembo's here, just alternative manufactures.

Italian parts are only as expensive as they are due to crazy export duties. More money doesn't necessarily equal better performance in all cases, although Brembo is obviously one of the best braking products in the world.

VW also uses ATE not Ferodo as far as I know.


But please do take the brake callipers off your OPS tonight and post some pictures of the pads, I'm still not convinced that there will actually be Brembo pads in there. Brakes systems consist of a huge bunch on components often disregarded and that's where the real Brembo difference comes in with the calliper, master cylinders and hoses.

I find no specific evidence online of the particular parts in the car that are actually Brembo branded not replacement parts but I'll put in some effort to find them now.

Why use an inferior product to replace a premium product?
OPC does use Brembo pads, discs and calipers.
VW GTis use Ferrodo if I remember correctly, ATE is a decent aftermarket choice but of the floor VW use Ferrodo.

Brembo Original Equipment

http://www.brembo.com/en/car/original-equipment/products/Pages/default.aspx

Note a complete lack of brake pads...

They do make them since they do exist as part of their aftermarket product range, but don't you think it's a little strange that they don't list them under OE?

http://www.bremboparts.com/en/products/pads-shoes

 

[SauRoNZA]

Why use an inferior product to replace a premium product?

Inferior is a massive assumption on your part.

OPC does use Brembo pads, discs and callipers.

Only the Nürburgring Edition, not all the OPC's.

VW GTis use Ferrodo if I remember correctly, ATE is a decent aftermarket choice but of the floor VW use Ferrodo.

I can't comment specifically about the Polo but the Golf GTI uses ATE as an OEM as does the other cars cars in their ranges.

http://www.bremboparts.com/en/products/pads-shoes

Yes that's under the "aftermarket" website like I already pointed out.


Either way it really doesn't matter at the end of the day and if I was that desperate to prove a point then I would march down to Opel and ask for the set of pads for a Nürburgring OPC to take some pictures to either prove my point or offer my humble apologies.

The original fact of the matter was that R20k is ridiculous and it still remains ridiculous considering the complete conversion kit for an regular OPC (which doesn't have Brembos) which includes discs, callipers and presumably pads is about 1500 pounds.

 

[Gulio]

Inferior is a massive assumption on your part.



Only the Nürburgring Edition, not all the OPC's.



I can't comment specifically about the Polo but the Golf GTI uses ATE as an OEM as does the other cars cars in their ranges.



Yes that's under the "aftermarket" website like I already pointed out.


Either way it really doesn't matter at the end of the day and if I was that desperate to prove a point then I would march down to Opel and ask for the set of pads for a Nürburgring OPC to take some pictures to either prove my point or offer my humble apologies.

The original fact of the matter was that R20k is ridiculous and it still remains ridiculous considering the complete conversion kit for an regular OPC (which doesn't have Brembos) which includes discs, callipers and presumably pads is about 1500 pounds.

ATE is inferior to Brembo, fact.

Ill stick to my comment of Ferrodo pads being OE over ATE. I 98% sure im right about it.

Its not aftermarket, its part of their kit. Calipers, pads, discs and braided hoses.
Id be pissed if I bought a car advertised with a Brembo brake kit and some parts are missing.

If the car comes with Brembo, it should be replaced with the same or better. Remember insurance companies can reject a claim if they really investigate the car in an event of an accident.
This Polo has the same braking system that was in the previous generation S3. Thats a pretty good setup if you ask me, more than adequate to stop a small light hatch back and cheap to maintain.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Could very well be that the pads are Ferodo as OE replacements at services but I know the discs are ATE out the box and presumably the pads as well.

Makes sense as a local manufacturer.


I've replaced OE components on my bikes with after markets from SBS and something with a B I can't recall now and actually improved performance.

Also something to consider is wear vs performance.

I had issues with OE pads on my Buell being too soft leading to brake residue and warping of the disc. New disc with different pads lasted longer and worked better than the original.

Not that I'm saying Brembo is bad, but also doesn't make other options inferior.

Also every driver is different and therefore their needs are different.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Nobody cares about the brakes now, FFS...

 

[Gulio]

Nobody cares about the brakes now, FFS...

Done!

 

[FiestaST]

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