Pope's comments anger Muslims[here it comes again]

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CNN) -- Pope Benedict XVI came under a hail of criticism from the Islamic world Friday for comments he made earlier in the week regarding the Prophet Mohammed and the Muslim faith, in some cities provoking street protests.
A growing chorus of Muslim leaders have called on the pope to apologize for the remarks he made in a speech in Germany on Tuesday when he used the terms "jihad" and "holy war."
A Vatican statement said Benedict was not trying offend Muslims with his remarks.
"It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to ... offend the sensibilities of Muslim faithful," said Federico Lombardi, the Vatican press officer.
In response to the pope's speech, Pakistan's National Assembly -- parliament's lower house -- unanimously passed a resolution on Friday condemning his remarks. The Pakistan Foreign Office also called into question the pope's comments, calling them highly controversial, regrettable and against Islam.
Also Friday, Muslim protesters shouted slogans against the pontiff at a rally in Jammu, India.
And in Cairo, about 100 demonstrators gathered in an anti-Vatican protest outside the capital's al-Azhar mosque.
Meanwhile, a youth center run by the Greek Orthodox church in the Gaza Strip was s lightly damaged by a small explosion on Friday, witnesses told Reuters.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/15/pope.islam/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...kAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996016474
 
Anybody who is willing to get all worked up about what is said about their religion is an idiot. Pope included!
 
It was not due to the terms he used but the quote he used.
 
Okay may be. But still religion has caused so much death I'm sick of the whole thing. I'm glad I'll never be president or in such a position of power. Because all religion would be against the law. :(
 
Exactly. People are willing to die for religious belief but will not bother to help someone they live or work with everyday.

And what I hate about all religion is this idea of this "God" who needs to be protected. Kill people inthe name of Alah, God etc.. I say F*** that.
I trust and know in a God that needs no blood shed to prove a point!
A god who can do things for hium\herself and most certainly a God who doesn't need your dusty knees and stoopid rituals.

If people want a ritual, how about donating to the needy once a month! That has real results. Shutting your eyes and chanting does F***all, but it's so easy you do it on various days in a special building in the name of God. Pricks!

Anyway I'm going off-topic.
 
The remarks that got him into trouble.

I was reminded of all this recently, when I read... of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both.

In the seventh conversation...the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God," he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats."
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But the Pope speaks the truth here.
 
Indeed, the Pope does speak the truth and the followers of Islam continue to maintain that they are a peaceful religion but then go blow things uo when they get a bit peeved or offended.
 
tibby.dude said:
But the Pope speaks the truth here.
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Any chance of a link Tibby - context? Find it hard to believe the pope would pull out some obscure text - and make such a contentious remark (unless he was commenting on anniversary of 9/11, or has some hidden agenda) - or is deliberately trying to incite violence (protests, flag burnings, the usual.)

My conspiracists antennae be tweaked. :rolleyes:
 
Ye the pope makes perfect sense. I don't see where the problem is. The only people who may have problems are the guilty ones.
 
ShockG said:
Ye the pope makes perfect sense. I don't see where the problem is. The only people who may have problems are the guilty ones.
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It's a plain incitement to violence - there are a million ways to deliver a message and this is not one of them - why - knowing it will evoke a probably violent response - there is no need for this message - why now?

(And - are millions of muslims living in thousands of communities around the world running around with swords killing people - not - a few - why upset the rest - with this ancient message from 1391?)

Thanks Nanfeishen -.
 
The last two lines of the centre paragaph in tibby's is whats the problem. It was the emperer's opinion.

To say a a prophet brought evil is blasphemous.. Get a muslim priest or high to say this about any of the prophets and he will be condemned. btw if you don't know the movie that caused a stir for the vatican, the de vinci code, caused as stir for muslims too, just not as big one. Why? Because although the interpretation of the vatican differs from muslim religion, he is still a prophet and nothing bad can be said of them, same with the jewish prophet.

Religish groups they can say has gone astray maybe, but not the original teachings or prohpet. This is something people forget.
 
OKay I didn't know that he also said that. I just read it from a link now that I've been sent on chat.
iN that case he was actually being a retard. I can't imagine a grown ass man with a big hat saying something like that. See that's why I'm so against all religion. In the text quoted above, he seems to have a valid point. But now seeing the whole picture, he seems to be a right royal !!!!! about it.
 
Manuel II(1391-1425) was the second-to-last emperor of the East-Roman (Byzantine) Empire. He was a member of the house of the Palaiologoi, whose founder Michael VIII in 1261 had driven the Crusaders from the imperial capital, which they had conquered in 1204. In the course of the fourteenth century the Ottoman Turkish empire had become the major rival of the empire, which, now shrunken to a minor state, had been almost completely expelled from Asia Minor. Manuel's father, Emperor John V (1341-1391), had to deal with the crossing of the Hellespont by the Turks, who first conquered Thrace and Macedonia and in 1389 at the battle of Kossovo destroyed and conquered the Serbian Empire.

This reminds me of the story of the vatican running guns (and finance) to the serbs in Bosnia (or was it the croats?) - must have been the croats...

Nanfeishen link
 
E'body need sot have a re-think about religion I think. :(
 
That's a rather unfortunate comment from the pope - considering the history of Emperor Manuel II Paleologus and the bigger picture:

To that effect they created terroristic cells all over Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the U.S. In Australia they clashed with local people and inflicted severe damages to the interest of Communist Yugoslavia. To render their protest more effective, they blew up offices, businesses, communist or liberal offices. Bombs and explosions became an ever more recurrent hallmark of their presence.
The Vatican's Holocaust

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How deep does the rabbit hole go?
 
As some person said on DIGG:

"Pope: "Islam is violent, according to what people said a long time ago"
Muslims: "We refute what you say! We threaten violence unless you say sorry"

Its like that scene from the movie "YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH"...Call them on it enough, and they show their true colors."
 
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