Pope's comments anger Muslims[here it comes again]

[Nick333]

. The west, which constitutes of Christians for the most part, are by far the greatest contributer to technological progress. The Asian countries are catching up though.

The driving force behind progress in the west has been secular humanism and definetly not Christianity.

 

[icyrus]

Christians just attacked Iraq in the recent past. They had the weak excuses first of finding imagined weapons, then of saving the poor Iraqis from old Saddam, these same Christians' former pal and enforcer in the area.

For those who can't follow - Christians didn't do this 50 years ago - they're still engaged in doing exactly this right now. Muslim fanatics are not 50 years behind - they're engaging in exactly the same mayhem as their contempory Christian counterparts. The only real difference is the Christians are much more heavily armed. For now.

We need to have a designated area to send religious fanatics so they can kill each each other. Maybe the surface of the sun.

I've seen alot of accusations about why exactly America went to war, but the religious one is still the funniest. Do you really believe that its all about religion?

 

[Nick333]

So anyone who criticises the actual, real problems with the Islamic world is just a ****stirrer? Are you saying that nobody should criticise those problems, because we all 'know what the reaction will be'? In other words, we should be bullied by violent Muslims into not speaking out for our beliefs in concepts like freedom of speech, individual rights, peace and gender equality? Sorry, but that's just the kind of "****stirrer" we need plenty more of.

Im saying someone who is the head of an organization that is responsible for much that is ****ed up in this world including incidently bombings in the UK by some of its members should perhaps take the advice of his bible and take a look at the obstructions in his own eye before pointing fingers.
The over whelming evidence is that we need less **** stirrers of the religious kind.

 

[icyrus]

The driving force behind progress in the west has been secular humanism and definetly not Christianity.

Personally I would think, and hope, that as humanity progresses we will move further and further away from antiquated ideas like organized religion.

 

[Brenden_E]

The driving force behind progress in the west has been secular humanism and definetly not Christianity.

Might be the driving force now - still doesn't change the fact that many of the great scientists and philosophers are Christian. Don't believe me? I can post a few bibliographies followed by a "in your face" - if you really want.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

Well done !

Some1 have never opened up a newspaper . . . even in a local newspaper there will be hundreds of articles that where a christian kills a christian, but never is it mentioned that a CHRISTIAN killed another CHRISTIAN.

It is just said a man killed a man, a man raped a women.

but as soon as a muslim kills some1, then It is Noted a MUSLIM killed this person, or did that.


Not to go away from the topic, but look at the stats in Islam countries. compare it with the best 1rst world countries then you'll see.

1 rape in a yr, USA 1 rape maybe every 10 seconds.
( just saw a article some muslim guy raped a girl, the sentence was 100 lashed with a whip and he had to leave the country.)
Then the question can be asked HOW do they do it.

I dont know if you are joking about the newspaper thing, but get me one article where it says that specifically a muslim has killed someone, and he is named as a muslim for no reason. I have never seen this, and it only happens if the killing concerns his religion, like a jihad type killing.

And in Muslim countries, I dont think womens rights or offences against women are a great thing to brag about. It is muslim women who can be divorced by SMS legally right, and many other things if I remember correctly.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Might be the driving force now - still doesn't change the fact that many of the great scientists and philosophers are Christian. Don't believe me? I can post a few bibliographies followed by a "in your face" - if you really want.

The real question I think was whether they are/were Christian for life. Many scientists and colleagues I know were born into a specific religion and deconverted as they gained knowledge. It may be taken out of context to say that a certain scientist/philospher was of a certain religion, however it says nothing about whether he followed that religion for the duration of his life.

 

[Turtle]

Im saying someone who is the head of an organization that is responsible for much that is ****ed up in this world including incidently bombings in the UK by some of its members should perhaps take the advice of his bible and take a look at the obstructions in his own eye before pointing fingers.

Play the ball, not the man. Refute his message, not who he is. I don't care who is saying something as long as what they're saying is correct.

 

[Nick333]

Might be the driving force now - still doesn't change the fact that many of the great scientists and philosophers are Christian. Don't believe me? I can post a few bibliographies followed by a "in your face" - if you really want.

Bibliographies?

There was Newton of course who's work was inspired by his faith, yet wrong though adequate.

Who else have you got in mind? Einstien? (a secular jew btw), Franklin? (a free thinker.)

Im sure you'll find that the democratic environment in the west allowed any amount of intelligent people, who didnt see science as a denial of there beliefs to persue research that their churches frown upon.

 

[Brenden_E]

The real question I think was whether they are/were Christian for life. Many scientists and colleagues I know were born into a specific religion and deconverted as they gained knowledge. It may be taken out of context to say that a certain scientist/philospher was of a certain religion, however it says nothing about whether he followed that religion for the duration of his life.

Christianity allows you to deconvert and follow your beliefs - Islam doesn't. If I want to marry a Muslim girl, I have to convert to Islam first.

Guess what, I'll probably never marry a Muslim girl

 

[Nick333]

Play the ball, not the man. Refute his message, not who he is. I don't care who is saying something as long as what they're saying is correct.

By ignoring the source of the statement youre missng the real issue at hand, which is that all the large monotheistic religions are responsible for a huge percentage of death, poverty and all sorts of other stupidity in the world.
But thats your choice. My choice is to highlight the Pope and the churches major short comings.

 

[noxibox]

I've seen alot of accusations about why exactly America went to war, but the religious one is still the funniest. Do you really believe that its all about religion?

For those still struggling to get this comprehension down, who somehow managed to just miss the initial statement which gave the reasons that were given as the excuse by the countries that attacked Iraq - the assertion is that Islam is a violent religion because some people who call themselves Muslims engage in violent activity. The fanatical Christian who runs the US is engaged in violent actions. By the same leap if this so-called Christian country is involved in violence it must be a product of the religion being inherently violent. Both religions produce violent lunatics, and these lunatics always manage to pull some passage from their fairy stories that supposedly justifies whatever psychotic stupid action in which they wish to engage. Hinduism and Judaism have their fair share of fanatics.

According to the assertions of those who call Islam a violent religion those Muslims who are not killing people must be bad Muslims.

Why does having a problem with countries making up convenient excuses to attack another country suddenly imply support for the leader of the attacked country. The US didn't just sit idly by for over two decades while Saddam Hussein tortured and murdered people. They supported him. And again over a decade ago when they had the chance to remove him they just walked away. When their WMD story started falling apart they made up the 'we're going to save the Iraqis from Saddam' story.

 

[Claymore]

Might be the driving force now - still doesn't change the fact that many of the great scientists and philosophers are Christian. Don't believe me? I can post a few bibliographies followed by a "in your face" - if you really want.

"Are"? Or "were"? Stats of the religious affiliations of current prominent scientists do not support much belief in religion.

 

[noxibox]

We should not allow ourselves to be bullied out of presenting the facts. The Pope is not an appropriate person to be speaking about these things given his obvious religious bias and the history of the Catholic Church as an active participant in oppression.

 

[Brenden_E]

We should not allow ourselves to be bullied out of presenting the facts. The Pope is not an appropriate person to be speaking about these things given his obvious religious bias and the history of the Catholic Church as an active participant in oppression.

"We should not allow ourselves to be bullied out of presenting the facts."
So you're being bullied? Not with you there!

This was kinda entertaining - but the initial excitement has waned. I'm outta this thread

 

[pupa]

We should not allow ourselves to be bullied out of presenting the facts. The Pope is not an appropriate person to be speaking about these things given his obvious religious bias and the history of the Catholic Church as an active participant in oppression.

I am sure in YOUR eyes sir? Bin Laden is!

 

[Roy Munson]

I'm not a violent person

If anyone dares to call me violent I will rip their hart out and shove it down their throat! And to those who call me unreasonable? I just don't listen to those idiots! I want peace as much as the next man and I will destroy anyone who opposes peace.

 

[Alan]

If anyone dares to call me violent I will rip their hart out and shove it down their throat! And to those who call me unreasonable? I just don't listen to those idiots! I want peace as much as the next man and I will destroy anyone who opposes peace.

You make it sound irrational.

 

[neio]

Smash the cross - al-Qaeda

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2000367,00.html

Seems they want to destroy all Christian's in a war. Silly little terrorists, they'll get such an a$$ whippin they wont know what hit them.

 

[Alan]

Silly little terrorists, they'll get such an a$$ whippin they wont know what hit them.

Not if the Lefties have their way. They seem hell bent on us being on the receiving end. Of course they are shooting themselves in the foot but that is irrelevant to them.