President Ramaphosa's comments about 5G and Huawei are innacurate

Not nearly as bad as the comments made by the Orange. Maybe people should look at where this info is coming from. It's the operators themselves giving the impression that Huawei is a requirement for 5G. May or may not be true but it's nonetheless the case that they will even give you the Chinese to sleep in your base station until it's working.

Huawei is definitely the leader in 5G. Show me one other company with a single chip for 2G-5G.
 
Technical topics not for politicians, however following dot. Com websites as gospel truth is also ill advised. if u ask the Americans they say they ahead, Europeans also say they ahead and so will Huawei. To truly compare, as much as a politician should not take judgement, technical person should present all tests done world wide. This was not done in this article. And merely responding to political comments does not do justice to a technical website.
 
China in pole position for 5G era with a third of key patents

US and Japan lose market share, as Huawei and ZTE bulk up

AKITO TANAKA, Nikkei senior staff writerMAY 03, 2019 02:02 JST

TOKYO -- Chinese companies account for 34% of worldwide applications for major patents related to 5G technology, putting it in a position to drive the development of new industries that use ultrafast-communication networks.

The latest wireless communication standard can handle huge volumes of data at high speed, and is crucial to the development of technologies such as autonomous driving systems. Whoever controls the most "standard essential patents," or SEPs, for 5G will likely come out on top in the race to develop a new generation of advanced industries.

As of March, China had filed for 34% of SEPs for 5G communication systems, an increase of more than 50% compared with its share of 4G patents, according to IPlytics, a German company that maintains a huge patent database. South Korea had a quarter of key 5G patents, while the share of filings by Japanese and U.S. entities fell compared with the 4G era.
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Huawei Technology had the largest share of filings for 5G-related SEPs, at 15%. Other top filers in China included ZTE and the China Academy of Telecommunications Technology, which ranked fifth and ninth, respectively.
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Based on previous history, I would trust CR's data substantially more than staff writer's.
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Huawei May Have Largest 5G Patent Portfolio – Starting to Flex IPR Muscle

By Adrian Ip / Jun 22

In an interesting development in the US – China trade war this week, it emerged that Huawei is asking Verizon (NYSE:VZ) for $1 billion for using its patents for core network infrastructure and other technologies. While this would normally just be a corporate discussion and potential for lawsuits, the implications are of course broader than for example the Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) vs. Qualcomm (NASDAQ:QCOM) battle given the recent actions the US government has taken in putting Huawei on the entity list and the impending block on it being allowed to buy US technology.

A related difficulty here however is that the 5G standards were developed with Huawei being one of the major industry parties in helping form those standards and while its 4G patent portfolio is comparatively pretty small, as far as 5G goes, it’s the number one holder of what are referred to as “Standard Essential Patent Declarations” or SEP declarations, currently holding approximately 1500 patents which they have declared as essential for the standard, leading Nokia with ~1400 (HEL:NOKIA), Samsung (KRX:005930) on ~1300 , LG (KRX:066570) at ~1300, ZTE (SHE:000063) with ~1200, Qualcomm (NASDAQ:QCOM) and Ericsson (STO:ERIC-B) with about 800 apiece.
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As such, any company using 5G in its current form is going to be likely to use Huawei patented technologies, even if they aren’t using Huawei provided hardware and as such, some form of payment will probably be due.

US Senate Proposals Could Limit Huawei’s Ability to Sue Over Patents

However there are moves afoot which could see Huawei struggle to assert its patent rights in the US. Senator Marco Rubio has accused the firm of adopting the tactics of patent trolls to attack US companies in retaliation for US sanctions against it, arguing that the US shouldn’t allow Chinese state-backed companies to “improperly” use their own legal system against the US. He has now filed legislation (seen by Reuters) which would limit the ability of companies on US watch lists to seek relief under US law with respect to patents which had been granted by the US Patent and Trademark Office.
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https://wccftech.com/huawei-has-largest-5g-patent-portfolio-starting-to-flex-ipr-muscle/
 
netcruiser said:
Obviously he's no IT guru, but the essence of which he said was true: the US sees Huawei as a threat to Google, Apple, etc. and the US is starting to play dirty to maintain its advantage.

Cue the US imperialist apologists.
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Well said. Unfortunately most people here who believe America is GOD, will disagree.
Hell half the atrocities caused by America fly right through their sheep brains.

It's a conspiracy by them to stifle the growth of other 5G suppliers and also they need their companies in so they can spy on everyone as opposed to china.

I'll take my chances with china any day....
 
Johnatan56 said:
I doubt that law will go through.

I'm still interested how "important" Huawei's patents are, whether they're worth investing a workaround for and whether any company will do so. Number of parents only is not truly indicative.
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Its referring to standards essential patents. To exclude Huawei , you have to develop a different standard. I don't think 6g is ready yet...but to operate 5g, you have to use Huawei IP.

As for the law that the senate is trying to pass, it will open the door to legalised infringements of international patent law. And it will actually benefit China more than anyone else, as they will be open to setting up similar laws
 
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km2 said:
And in terms of value-proposition maybe Huawei is the company that can sell 5G tech for cheap enough for South African networks to bother installing it sooner rather than later.
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There is no such thing as a free lunch...

They run the Printer/Ink business model - "Printer" is nothing, it's the "ink" that costs (kit vs licencing)
 
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Hamish McPanji said:
Its referring to standards essential patents. To exclude Huawei , you have to develop a different standard. I don't think 6g is ready yet...but to operate 5g, you have to use Huawei IP.

As for the law that the senate is trying to pass, it will open the door to legalised infringements of international patent law. And it will actually benefit China more than anyone else, as they will be open to setting up similar laws
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I know they're standard essential, but there can still be workarounds if the price is worth it.
 
signeffex said:
Well said. Unfortunately most people here who believe America is GOD, will disagree.
Hell half the atrocities caused by America fly right through their sheep brains.

It's a conspiracy by them to stifle the growth of other 5G suppliers and also they need their companies in so they can spy on everyone as opposed to china.

I'll take my chances with china any day....
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In the grand scheme China will be the lesser evil and the last bastion of freedom. The world just doesn't know it yet.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
Its referring to standards essential patents. To exclude Huawei , you have to develop a different standard. I don't think 6g is ready yet...but to operate 5g, you have to use Huawei IP.

As for the law that the senate is trying to pass, it will open the door to legalised infringements of international patent law. And it will actually benefit China more than anyone else, as they will be open to setting up similar laws
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Been there personally. Its impossible to get a fair case in China on a patent infringement. The reality is China has been copying technology and ideas for years and best of luck trying to get the Chinese legal system to judge this fairly. As an example witness all the transgressions on things like MP3 , H264 , HEVC etc.
 
Inyanga said:
Been there personally. Its impossible to get a fair case in China on a patent infringement. The reality is China has been copying technology and ideas for years and best of luck trying to get the Chinese legal system to judge this fairly. As an example witness all the transgressions on things like MP3 , H264 , HEVC etc.
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Patents are also overused though and other countries will entertain frivolous ones that should never be considered.
 
Daruk said:
Pandering to China.
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Not that he has any other choice. The West has stopped borrowing money to South Africa. Most Western investors already pulled all investments from SA and some are still busy dropping investments today, as can be seen by the massive capital outflows and collapse of shares on the JSE. He will need access to some country who will pump some grain into SA so that the masses can be fed when the economy collapses. His statement, although it makes no sense to some, is perfectly understood in the communist arenas.
 
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