Pretoria or Tshwane - you choose

[grayston]

Johannesburg - Pretoria and Tshwane can co-exist as the names of South Africa's capital city and its metro, ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe told an Afrikaner audience this week.

"The two could co-exist," Mantashe said.

This emerged from a statement by the African National Congress on Thursday.

It said Mantashe addressed "a packed meeting mainly of Afrikaners" in Centurion on Tuesday night as part of the party's "inclusive South Africa programme".

Mantashe also sought to assure his audience that the Springbok emblem was not under threat.

"The Springbok remained the official emblem and the trademark of the national rugby team; the Protea is the official national sporting emblem," he said.

"There was no reason why the two could not co-exist."

On the Pretoria/Tshwane issue, the party said: "Mantashe said that his understanding was that the city of Pretoria remained; the change is on the name of the municipality, which is called Tshwane Municipality, because it extends beyond the boundary of the Pretoria town."

Efforts to rename the city of Pretoria to Tshwane has raised the ire of the Afrikaner community who wants the name preserved as part of their heritage.

The issue has triggered more than one court application by Afrikaner interest groups for the name Pretoria to be retained.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20090219160856594C893029

Amazing. I can see in to the future, and tomorrow's news headline will read something along the lines of "Mantashe claims Pretoria/Tshwane words taken out of context".

 

[DagegeN]

lol yeah.

But yet again my birth certificate state that I was born in Pretoria... so for me Pretoria it stays.

 

[brixton tower]

LOL

 

[HypoThesis]

Well all the broadcast media already refer to it as Tshwane. It's bloody confusing. The official name for the municipality (covering Pretoria and surrounds) is The City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality. Thats where all the confusion lies. The City of Joburg Metro. Munic. refers to Johannesburg the physical city and it's surrounding suburbs and towns. So logically you'd assume CTMM refers to an actual city called Tshwane etc. **sigh**

All they needed to do was just call it Tshwane Metro Municipality.

and does anyone really believe anything a politician says months before an election?

 

[Morgoth]

I don't see why a co-name cant work, anyone against it is just selfish, enough honestly call it Tswhane-Pretoria or Pretoria-Tswhane who cares...both are happy,

 

[marine1]

All for votes hey Gwede?

 

[DeadCore]

i still vote for it to stay Pretoria (long live the Voortrekkers)

 

[Morgoth]

“Nationalism is an infantile sickness. It is the measles of the human race.” - Albert Einstein.

 

[HypoThesis]

I don't see why a co-name cant work, anyone against it is just selfish, enough honestly call it Tswhane-Pretoria or Pretoria-Tswhane who cares...both are happy,

+1. Like they did with Kwazulu-Natal

 

[DeadCore]

i just don't want Pretoria 2 be named aap (Ape)

 

[Morgoth]

i just don't want Pretoria 2 be named aap (Ape)

impossible, we all know Capetown without the sea ( c ) is apetown

of moet ons van aapstad na Kaapstad gaan ?:S

 

[stoke]

Pronounced : Tshwaaneh vs Pret-horiah
Actually, they're quite similar.

"There was no reason why the two could not co-exist."

Actually there is a reason, similar to the reason that most of the country's tax paying inhabitants should only have one ID Number.
Or, shall we call you Mantashe Peter from now on?

 

[DeadCore]

Tswhane is a word in black language meaning Ape.i'm proud of Pretoria but not a monkey

 

[Morgoth]

what black language? !

 

[DeadCore]

i don't know the black cultures nor do i care so i don't know which language it's in (maybe zulu or setho) all i know is it means Ape

 

[BUDDH4]

Be careful Afrikaaners it's a trap!

i don't know the black cultures nor do i care so i don't know which language it's in (maybe zulu or setho) all i know is it means Ape

You don't know/care what language it is yet somehow you know it means ape?

 

[Morgoth]

strange that Pretoria is Ndebele land? and I cant find that word in my Ndebele Dictionary :O. its a silly rumor made up by Afrikaners.

 

[HypoThesis]

i don't know the black cultures nor do i care so i don't know which language it's in (maybe zulu or setho) all i know is it means Ape

That right there is signature material. Made my day. Can you imagine someone who lived in France saying he didn't care about French culture? Gotta love this country eh?

Tshwane is a seTswana word which means "the same", the word you're looking for is tshwene

The name Tshwane comes to us from Chief Msi, who settled in the Pretoria area about 100 years before the arrival of the Voortrekkers in the early 1800s. Chief Mushi and his tribe had moved from Zululand and first settled at Mokgapane (Mooiplaas, east of Pretoria). He later moved from Mooiplaas to what is now the Pretoria area, on the banks of the Tshwane River, named after his son Tshwane (today called the Apies River). Tshwane is the authentic African name for Pretoria. Also interesting is that the word tshwane means "we are the same" or "we are one because we live together".

The history of the area:

The Ndebele are part of the larger Nguni ethnic group. They are thought to have travelled from kwaZulu to the Transvaal region, led by a chief called Msi and settling near what is now Tshwane (Pretoria) in about 1600. In the mid-seventeenth century, the nation split over a succession dispute.

In 1882, following friction with Afrikaner settlers over land and other resources, the Boer leader Piet Joubert led a campaign against the Ndebele leader Nyabela. Nyabela was imprisoned, finally being released in the late 1890s, and many of his people were indentured to white farmers.

During the apartheid era, Nyabela's successor as leader, Cornelius, was forcibly moved with his people to a tribal "homeland" called KwaNdebele, which was given nominal self-government.

 

[Pitbull]

The word Tshwane = Ape (Aap/ies)

The river running throught Pretoria was always know as the Tshwane river by the locals 100's of years before the whites moved in. This was because of the Ape's hanging around the river in the trees. The whites changed it to the Apies rivier.

Tshwane (tshwene) does mean Ape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apies_River

 

[HypoThesis]

lol. Wikipedia? I am Tswana. Which you gonna believe? It was a mis-translation long ago. He named the river after his son. Logically, who would name their son "ape"?
Tshwene is ape (as you rightfully point out in brackets)