Pretoria or Tshwane - you choose

[Albereth]

The word Tshwane = Ape (Aap/ies)

The river running throught Pretoria was always know as the Tshwane river by the locals 100's of years before the whites moved in. This was because of the Ape's hanging around the river in the trees. The whites changed it to the Apies rivier.

Tshwane (tshwene) does mean Ape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apies_River

Hundreds? The Bantu people settled there around 1800. The whites arrived around 1830. Pretoria was founded in 1855.

 

[stix]

I think Tshwane sounds much better than the dated khaki laced Pretoria.

I say drop Pretoria entirely.

 

[DJ...]

Call it whatever you like. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a sh1thole...

 

[Moederloos]

i don't know the black cultures nor do i care so i don't know which language it's in (maybe zulu or setho) all i know is it means Ape

You would have fit in well in 1939 Germany.

I think Tshwane sounds much better than the dated khaki laced Pretoria.

I say drop Pretoria entirely.

Yeah - I prefer Tshwane too.

 

[Guest 20221009]

Tswane does not mean ape, Tswene = Ape (Tswane != Ape)
Wikipedia got it so wrong..lol

 

[HypoThesis]

Hundreds? The Bantu people settled there around 1800. The whites arrived around 1830. Pretoria was founded in 1855.

Wikipedia. The death of all true history/knowledge/intelligence/common sense.

 

[shadowfox]

Whatever. They'll probably change their tune right after the election.

And as soon as someone shouts about it, they'll roll their eyes and say "Where did we ever say we're not going to change the name." They're just playing for votes

 

[Albereth]

Wikipedia. The death of all true history/knowledge/intelligence/common sense.

Wiki was not used as a source.

And please try and understand the concept of 'settled'.

 

[Pitbull]

Hundreds? The Bantu people settled there around 1800. The whites arrived around 1830. Pretoria was founded in 1855.

Ok so according to your perfect knowledge of time and space, the river in iteself was then only 30 -55 year old ?

ROFLMAO.

Ok you win by submission. I can't breath from laughter

 

[HypoThesis]

Wiki was not used as a source.

And please try and understand the concept of 'settled'.

Ahh, thank you for the intelligent remark. I never knew what that word meant till today! Yay

I was referring to this...

The word Tshwane = Ape (Aap/ies)

The river running throught Pretoria was always know as the Tshwane river by the locals 100's of years before the whites moved in. This was because of the Ape's hanging around the river in the trees. The whites changed it to the Apies rivier.

Tshwane (tshwene) does mean Ape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apies_River

Notice the blue highlighted bit at the bottom?

 

[Pitbull]

Ahh, thank you for the intelligent remark. I never knew what that word meant till today! Yay

I was referring to this...




Notice the blue highlighted bit at the bottom?

Did you read the link ?

If so you would see that it requires citation for the posts. I was showing the lack of the understanding between Tshwane and Tshwene even from the link.

Next time read it first

 

[HypoThesis]

Did you read the link ?

If so you would see that it requires citation for the posts. I was showing the lack of the understanding between Tshawne and Tshwene even from the link.

Next time read it first

I did that, thats why I asked if you'd trust Wiki over an actual moTswana.

Ok, my last post on this thread. We digress.

 

[Pitbull]

I did that, thats why I asked if you'd trust Wiki over an actual moTswana.

Ok, my last post on this thread. We digress.

hehe sorry, my post was a mess now that I read it.

The reason I posted what I did was because even on Wiki it's not clear as to the difference between Tshwane and Tshwene. It shows that citation is needed and was never done to date.

So it just indicates the confusion regarding the name change.

Also I have folks dating back hundreds of years and all that. What I would like to know is how does the Tswana people know what John Doe did more than 200 years ago ?

Is it written in a book of historical importance somewhere ?

If not it's nothing but claims but can not be backed up as fact. This is how I understand the court ruled in favour of not changing Pretoria to Tshwane in the first place. They only got permission to change the regional name/Metropoll *spelling* as that was under ANC control.

I might be wrong though

 

[HypoThesis]

Ok, that wasn't my last post afterall. lol.

Personally it doesn't mean anything to me, I don't care if it remains Pta or becomes Tshwane. It won't change my life one bit.

I was just correcting the misconception that Tshwane means 'ape'. The problem with local indigenous history is that, like you rightly state, it was never correctly documented. Most of it is passed on orally.

How a seTswana word came to be mixed up with isiNdebele history I personally don't know. That's up to the historians to tell us! I'm not going to even pretend I know.

From my understanding, the agreement is that the Metropole is referred to as Tshwane and that the city itself remains Pretoria. (until after the elections of cause....)

 

[Pitbull]

Ok, that wasn't my last post afterall. lol.

Personally it doesn't mean anything to me, I don't care if it remains Pta or becomes Tshwane. It won't change my life one bit.

I was just correcting the misconception that Tshwane means 'ape'. The problem with local indigenous history is that, like you rightly state, it was never correctly documented. Most of it is passed on orally.

How a seTswana word came to be mixed up with isiNdebele history I personally don't know. That's up to the historians to tell us! I'm not going to even pretend I know.

From my understanding, the agreement is that the Metropole is referred to as Tshwane and that the city itself remains Pretoria. (until after the elections of cause....)

As sad as that sounds, it's 100% true

PTA is and will always be a very very sensitive subject to the Afrikaans people. I highly doubt it will ever happen that PTA becomes Tswane without somekind of mini war

I'm just glad the ANC's reighn is over, maybe not this election but the following one they are out. And they will not get 2/3's YIPEE for COPE !

 

[BigAl-sa]

Well the SABC refer to it as Tshwane.

There fixed it. [Independent radio stations still refer to it as Pretoria]

 

[Morgoth]

What I don't get is if the blacks settled in Pretoria-Tswhane, in the 1800 then didn't they take the land from the khoi-khoi/ san that lived in this area? did they have a treaty? fact is they have as much right to call it Tswhane as we have to call it Pretoria, hence why I suggest calling it a duplicate name, and save us all this nonsense.

 

[Albereth]

Ok so according to your perfect knowledge of time and space, the river in iteself was then only 30 -55 year old ?

ROFLMAO.

Ok you win by submission. I can't breath from laughter

Dude - you really should read what you wrote. But I am glad I made you smile.

 

[Palmela]

Towns and cities are ethymologically and culturally unknown to any sub-saharans bipeds and changing towns names is just stealing and rewriting the history.