Proteas vs West Indies: 2014/15

[Seriously]

IMPORTANT!
If he opens threads with racist agendas, then those that want to engage in those threads can "enjoy" the "banter", but it must be kept away from the sport lovers' threads please! He really made the threads unpleasant.

Agreed!

 

[Dubes]

People cannot force their opinions on another. They do not like the opinions of that other. They get frustrated that they may not "win". They RBP. Usually as a pack as the "instigators" are usually long time members who seem to hold some sway. Next thing an outspoken member (and usually a breath of fresh air) is banned.

It works a little like Twitter. Someone doesn't like what another says so they block you. Before long everyone on twitter seems to agree with your opinion. Such fun.

 

[Seriously]

People cannot force their opinions on another. They do not like the opinions of that other. They get frustrated that they may not "win". They RBP. Usually as a pack as the "instigators" are usually long time members who seem to hold some sway. Next thing an outspoken member (and usually a breath of fresh air) is banned.

It works a little like Twitter. Someone doesn't like what another says so they block you. Before long everyone on twitter seems to agree with your opinion. Such fun.

 

[sand_man]

Wacky views, yes. Race-specs, yes. Idiotic analysis, yes. Chip on shoulder, yes. But none of these are banworthy. It's a boring world where all opinions are the same.

Agree to some extent!

Wasn't on the forum much yesterday but often found myself, at various stages of the match, jumping on to hear what outcast had to say. Was surprised (and a little disappointed) to see no rantings from him. I thought he was just taking the day off!!

I wanted to put the boot in re Behardien's continued lack of batting form and rub his nose in Davids superb 130 n/o and I'm sure he had plenty to say about Abbott and Morkels expensive spells of average bowling, at the death...

Anyway...

He may already be back in the form of Mike7?

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Back to the cricket,
I think Abbot has had enough chances now, It saddens me to say, but the guy is simply not performing on this level.

RR is also starting to use up his chances, unfortunately we don’t have anyone better to replace him with. (Besides QDK), I have been saying from the start Test matches with suite RR better.
Glad to see Miller stepping up, he looks like a new batsman, I think AB is helping him a lot with his batting technique, and its showing.

The number 7 spot should really be McLaren’s, just a shame his ODI batting does not reflect his FC/List A average, at least you know he has the potential. On the other hand Farhaan is a brilliant fielder, much better than Mclaren in that regard, but one cannot be selected because of fielding alone.

Faf Inconsistent as ever, again we don’t have anyone better unfortunately, just wonder if the number 3 spot really suits him in ODI’s, Miller is doing better higher up the order and should be coming in at 4 or 5
1.Amla 2.QDK 3.De Villieris 4.Miller 5.JP 6.Faf 7.Mclaren 8.Wiese/Morris 9.Steyn 10.Morkel 11.Tahir

Heck yeah

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Is Parnell only in the team because of the "other" reason?

 

[Agent_Smith]

It was great watching David Miller fulfill his potential as a batsman, and not just a finisher. Some wonderful clean hitting.

Not sure what we do about the number 7 position to be honest. What about Stiaan van Zyl as an option? Here are his List A (Limited overs) stats.


Batting List A 90 81 10 2567 114* 36.15 3414 75.19 5 13 242 18 25 0


Bowling List A 90 31 721 621 18 4/24 4/24 34.50 5.16 40.0 1 0 0

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Just a thought...

 

[sox63]

Wacky views, yes. Race-specs, yes. Idiotic analysis, yes. Chip on shoulder, yes. But none of these are banworthy. It's a boring world where all opinions are the same.

MyBB prefers not to upset the majority here with unpleasant opinions

 

[stefan9]

It was great watching David Miller fulfill his potential as a batsman, and not just a finisher. Some wonderful clean hitting.

Not sure what we do about the number 7 position to be honest. What about Stiaan van Zyl as an option? Here are his List A (Limited overs) stats.


Batting List A 90 81 10 2567 114* 36.15 3414 75.19 5 13 242 18 25 0


Bowling List A 90 31 721 621 18 4/24 4/24 34.50 5.16 40.0 1 0 0

Proper view here

Just a thought...

All of those stats are batting at three. Stiaan is not an odi player.

a Strikerate of only 75 would be poor for a nr 6/7.

Its really unfortunate that we don't have a pollock,klusenar,big mac or andrew hall around these days. Would balance this side perfectly.

 

[sand_man]

All of those stats are batting at three. Stiaan is not an odi player.

a Strikerate of only 75 would be poor for a nr 6/7.

Its really unfortunate that we don't have a pollock,klusenar,big mac or andrew hall around these days. Would balance this side perfectly.

Or Albie Morkel???!! He's the perfect 7 but has been badly mismanaged IMHO...

I still believe Behardien is the best man for the job at the mo!! Nobody has made a more valid claim for the spot with perhaps the exception of Ryan? It's one thing to criticize the selected player but it's not like there is anyone else playing out their skins that is being left out?!!

In the last 2 ODI's Behardien has taken 3 good catches and yesterday took 2 very good wickets! World cup is less than a month away, got to back him and hope he performs!!

Or am I wrong?

 

[MickeyD]

Or Albie Morkel???!! He's the perfect 7 but has been badly mismanaged IMHO...

AM is almost ready to resume playing after his injury.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Or Albie Morkel???!! He's the perfect 7 but has been badly mismanaged IMHO...

He bowled a lot of trash at times though...

 

[sand_man]

AM is almost ready to resume playing after his injury.

Yeah, don't think he was ever being reconsidered in any event!

He bowled a lot of trash at times though...

So has every other all rounder in the Protea No. 7 position and therein lies the rub!! At least with Albie you know you potentially have a match winner 1 or 2 out of 10 games. Take a look at what Andre Russell did yesterday, 64 off 40. That's an Albie type knock. When it comes off it's quite spectacular!

 

[Agent_Smith]

Or Albie Morkel???!! He's the perfect 7 but has been badly mismanaged IMHO...

I still believe Behardien is the best man for the job at the mo!! Nobody has made a more valid claim for the spot with perhaps the exception of Ryan? It's one thing to criticize the selected player but it's not like there is anyone else playing out their skins that is being left out?!!

In the last 2 ODI's Behardien has taken 3 good catches and yesterday took 2 very good wickets! World cup is less than a month away, got to back him and hope he performs!!

Or am I wrong?

Nope you're 100% correct. The squad has been selected and we have to back them to perform. He did field incredibly well and did claim two wickets. However, at the end of the day he's a batsman who bowls, not a bowler who bats and he needs to start performing with the willow. It would be a shame if he is consigned to the history books as one of those players who could never make the step up from domestic to international cricket, despite all the opportunities afforded to him.

My team (post world cup), would look something like this. Open to debate obviously

1) Hash
2) QdK
3) Stiaan*
4) Faf*
5) AB*
6) Miller
7) Duminy
8) Vern
9) Dale
10) Morne
11) Imran

*Interchangeable depending on match situation...

Morne, Dale, Vern, Imran our 4 strike bowlers with the remaining 10 overs coming from Jp and Stiaan.

 

[Badprop_za]

Yeah, don't think he was ever being reconsidered in any event!



So has every other all rounder in the Protea No. 7 position and therein lies the rub!! At least with Albie you know you potentially have a match winner 1 or 2 out of 10 games. Take a look at what Andre Russell did yesterday, 64 off 40. That's an Albie type knock. When it comes off it's quite spectacular!

Problem is that Albie more often than not went in with 20 balls remaining.

I always felts (as with Miller) that from overs 25-30 Morkel (or lately Miller) must go in to bat. Tell them they have 20-30 balls to get in. After that, we want fireworks to the end. If they score 10-15 runs in 30 balls, they are still good enough to end up with 60-80 of 60 balls.

 

[sand_man]

Problem is that Albie more often than not went in with 20 balls remaining.

I always felts (as with Miller) that from overs 25-30 Morkel (or lately Miller) must go in to bat. Tell them they have 20-30 balls to get in. After that, we want fireworks to the end. If they score 10-15 runs in 30 balls, they are still good enough to end up with 60-80 of 60 balls.

Yeah, it's a very fine balancing act!!

If your No 7 finds himself at the crease with 15-20 overs to go it usually means the top order has failed! IN THEORY Behardien is the type of player who should be good with that much time left. He's not a player that can smack from the first ball but he once he has a over or 2 to have a sighter, he should be good to go. Unfortunately he simply hasn't materialized, Period.

Albie is more of a banger from the get go. If he comes in with 5-7 overs left he can do damage!! IN THEORY!! But would Albie know what to do with himself with 15-20 overs to go? Probably not! He doesn't have a defensive game...

Having said that. I'm sure all batsman want to come in with more than 3 overs to face! Doesn't matter who you are or how talented you are, you need 2 or 3 overs to have a sighter.

Our middle to lower order is crucial if we going to win the CWC.

The openers pick themselves and really only because no one else has asserted themselves as an opener so Amla and QDK must open.

Faf at 3, AB at 4 - Those surely are your bankers

5 - David Miller. His knock yesterday was huge, not only in the context of the match but for his own self confidence and belief that he is a competent batsman that can build an innings and destroy a bowling attack in the last 10 if he is still there.

6 - JP. Crucial, crucial, crucial, crucial, crucial, crucial player. I tell you what, the world cup campaign rests on his shoulders. If we 70/5 he is the man to consolidate and try rebuild the innings. If we 250/5 he is the man to continue with the high scoring momentum. He is the man most likely to be coming in during or just before a batting powerplay and he is the man most likely at the crease at the end of the innings!! He is also your 5th/6th bowler!!!

7 - Behardien. He looks a sharp fielder, CATCHES WIN MATCHES! He looks the type of bowler many may under estimate, at their peril! His batting has been woeful and that is his primary function! That's a massive headache! If he comes in with SA needing 70 off 9 overs to win a semi final, we as good as shagged! Let's hope he can find some international form! God knows he's produced the goods in domestic cricket! If he can find form we have a great chance of progressing to the final!

8 - Philander. Pure class. Conditions should suit!

9 - Morkel. Pure class. Conditions should suit!

10 - Dale. Pure class. Conditions should suit!

11 - Tahir. Huge potential when he gets it right. Catastrophic when he doesn't. Either way, always in the game!1 Could be our trump card?

This would be my starting XI for every game! 9 games, including the final over 6 weeks is EASY!!! Baring injury, no need to rotate personnel.

If you unlucky to have 2 or 3 front line players break down in the semi then so be it if you make it to the final and are forced to field 2 or 3 players that have been carrying drinks for 6 weeks....

How are the pool games likely to play out and who do we meet in the knock out stages?!!!

Has anyone analysed the fixture list?

We should win against Zim, UAE, Ireland. Tough will be India, Pakistan and the WI but at least 1/3 or 2/3 leaving us in 2nd/1st place in our pool. Will we win our pool? Most likely.

Pool B
SA
India
Pakistan
WI

Pool A
Aus
Sri Lanka
Eng/NZ

Pool A is a tight one...

 

[Noob-Noob]

Snip

My problem with Faf is, he is so bloody inconsistent. It took him 60 ODI’s to get his ODI average in the thirties, when he gets going he does brilliantly, but he has to have 4 – 5 very low scores before he gets brilliant knock.
I really don’t trust him at number 3, hope i'm wrong.
Miller at 5 is good, he’s on fire at the moment, really hope he carries it into the world cup.

Behardien is probably our best choice at 7, since we really do need a bating all-rounder.
Another choice we have is Colin Ingram, His ODI and List A records are good, at 31 matches his average is much better than Faf and Miller’s was at the same time. Richard Levi has also been doing real good.

 

[Rusty0]

Or Albie Morkel???!! He's the perfect 7 but has been badly mismanaged IMHO...

I still believe Behardien is the best man for the job at the mo!! Nobody has made a more valid claim for the spot with perhaps the exception of Ryan? It's one thing to criticize the selected player but it's not like there is anyone else playing out their skins that is being left out?!!

In the last 2 ODI's Behardien has taken 3 good catches and yesterday took 2 very good wickets! World cup is less than a month away, got to back him and hope he performs!!

Or am I wrong?

Wrong about Albie. Hes gone, let it be.
Same with kallis and Klusener.

But I agree with behardien, a little confidence and he has the talent to win games and thats very important to have.
Like Afridi, he can take the game away with either bat or ball, sometimes both.

 

[Agent_Smith]

My problem with Faf is, he is so bloody inconsistent. It took him 60 ODI’s to get his ODI average in the thirties, when he gets going he does brilliantly, but he has to have 4 – 5 very low scores before he gets brilliant knock.
I really don’t trust him at number 3, hope i'm wrong.
Miller at 5 is good, he’s on fire at the moment, really hope he carries it into the world cup.

Behardien is probably our best choice at 7, since we really do need a bating all-rounder.
Another choice we have is Colin Ingram, His ODI and List A records are good, at 31 matches his average is much better than Faf and Miller’s was at the same time. Richard Levi has also been doing real good.

Problem is none of those guys mentioned (Levi or Ingram) can be called upon to provide 4 or 5 overs in conjunction with JP which is what we're lacking at the moment.

 

[Rusty0]

Yeah, it's a very fine balancing act!!

If your No 7 finds himself at the crease with 15-20 overs to go it usually means the top order has failed! IN THEORY Behardien is the type of player who should be good with that much time left. He's not a player that can smack from the first ball but he once he has a over or 2 to have a sighter, he should be good to go. Unfortunately he simply hasn't materialized, Period.

Albie is more of a banger from the get go. If he comes in with 5-7 overs left he can do damage!! IN THEORY!! But would Albie know what to do with himself with 15-20 overs to go? Probably not! He doesn't have a defensive game...

Having said that. I'm sure all batsman want to come in with more than 3 overs to face! Doesn't matter who you are or how talented you are, you need 2 or 3 overs to have a sighter.

Our middle to lower order is crucial if we going to win the CWC.

The openers pick themselves and really only because no one else has asserted themselves as an opener so Amla and QDK must open.

Faf at 3, AB at 4 - Those surely are your bankers

5 - David Miller. His knock yesterday was huge, not only in the context of the match but for his own self confidence and belief that he is a competent batsman that can build an innings and destroy a bowling attack in the last 10 if he is still there.

6 - JP. Crucial, crucial, crucial, crucial, crucial, crucial player. I tell you what, the world cup campaign rests on his shoulders. If we 70/5 he is the man to consolidate and try rebuild the innings. If we 250/5 he is the man to continue with the high scoring momentum. He is the man most likely to be coming in during or just before a batting powerplay and he is the man most likely at the crease at the end of the innings!! He is also your 5th/6th bowler!!!

7 - Behardien. He looks a sharp fielder, CATCHES WIN MATCHES! He looks the type of bowler many may under estimate, at their peril! His batting has been woeful and that is his primary function! That's a massive headache! If he comes in with SA needing 70 off 9 overs to win a semi final, we as good as shagged! Let's hope he can find some international form! God knows he's produced the goods in domestic cricket! If he can find form we have a great chance of progressing to the final!

8 - Philander. Pure class. Conditions should suit!

9 - Morkel. Pure class. Conditions should suit!

10 - Dale. Pure class. Conditions should suit!

11 - Tahir. Huge potential when he gets it right. Catastrophic when he doesn't. Either way, always in the game!1 Could be our trump card?

This would be my starting XI for every game! 9 games, including the final over 6 weeks is EASY!!! Baring injury, no need to rotate personnel.

If you unlucky to have 2 or 3 front line players break down in the semi then so be it if you make it to the final and are forced to field 2 or 3 players that have been carrying drinks for 6 weeks....

How are the pool games likely to play out and who do we meet in the knock out stages?!!!

Has anyone analysed the fixture list?

We should win against Zim, UAE, Ireland. Tough will be India, Pakistan and the WI but at least 1/3 or 2/3 leaving us in 2nd/1st place in our pool. Will we win our pool? Most likely.

Pool B
SA
India
Pakistan
WI

Pool A
Aus
Sri Lanka
Eng/NZ

Pool A is a tight one...

Disagree with Morkel and Philander, they good with the new ball in SA. They bad with the older ball. if they bowled out in the first 35 over then fine, but i dont trust them in the last 5 overs. They can get good players out, but cant get tailenders out, tail enders cross the line.