Protester Spits On Trump Supporter During Interview at Minneapolis Rally

[Gingerbeardman]

Really? The thread is literally about someone spitting at a Trump supporter.

Indeed, and my only contribution until you started attempting your character assassination routine was to identify trolling. I didn't even bother to call out any of Lumeer's sentiments, although by your standards one has to wonder why you didn't denounce his sentiments.

Instead we get this partisan drivel from you:

Someone spits at a Trump supporter ... response is overwhelming in calling it out, outrage at the "tolerant left", anger at how the left is protracting the divisive discourse of our age.


A Trump supporter drives over a protestor, or sends several bombs to Democrats, tries to blow up an Amtrak train, plans to carry out attacks on CNN ... the response is overwhelming in defense of these events, as not a symptom of the growing threat of stochastic right wing terrorism. It is actually the left's fault and despite the Conservative principle about personal responsibility, everything on the planet is blamed, except the people who are actually guilty of these crimes. Anyone who tries to highlight the issue is just suffering from TDS and is just a soy boy beta cuck leftist communist socialist libzombie libtard Kaktural Muchist.

When a thread about a Trump fan being spat at garners more support and outrage for this lowkey act of battery, than an act of actual terrorism by a Trump supporter, it has to just make you laugh at the incomparable level of cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance, thy name is Buka001. Your posts are nothing but bad faith trolling, and in the process you demean the standards you proclaim to champion.

 

[cerebus]

 

[SoldierMan]

If the Americans had Clinton or Sanders they'd have been so screwed. Let's face it @lumeer Americans didn't have a lot to choose from but they sure did hit the jackpot with D Trump. Obama put America more into the crapper than any of the crappiest presidents they had. he was a puppet to please the colored vote and keep the democrats in a happy spin for a while. As soon as Trump got elected they knew the party was over. Now they're trying everything in their power to oust him.

If you gave me a choice in South Africa to vote for a man like Trump I'd vote twice for a man like him. He actually delivers what he said he'd do in his election campaigns something no Democrat has ever done when they get the seat.

Nope, tbh Democrats are balloons full of hot air and when they miss the party they exploded and accuse people of lying and false claims. They failed twice and this would be the third attempt to remove Trump from office. All the time and taxpayers money spent to try to remove the guy instead of working to solve problems and stop wasting taxpayers' money. Look at Brexit a great example of just wasting taxpayers money and time push on and get over with it already

Prove the Left is totally out of control, no direction at all.

Boom! AOC shows just how crazy she, the Democrats and their virtue signalling have become.

And all their followers are just led around by their nose, they couldn't give two chits when Bill Clinton and Obama said NO ILLEGALS, it's better that they don't attempt the journey to the US, and that people had to enter legally, but when Trump does it they create this fake movement of feels for the illegals. It's quite sickening really

 

[buka001]

Indeed, and my only contribution until you started attempting your character assassination routine was to identify trolling. I didn't even bother to call out any of Lumeer's sentiments, although by your standards one has to wonder why you didn't denounce his sentiments.

Instead we get this partisan drivel from you:

Cognitive dissonance, thy name is Buka001. Your posts are nothing but bad faith trolling, and in the process you demean the standards you proclaim to champion.

Lumeer retracted his statement.

 

[SoldierMan]

One of his campaign promises was to eliminate the US budget deficit, yet it is sky-rocketing. Not that he cares that future generations will have to pick up the pieces, which is one of many reasons why I consider him to be unethical and immoral. His tax cuts (mostly to the benefit of rich folks like him and his children, which is, I reckon, the real reason for them) are unsustainable and he is setting his successors up for failure. A good president sees to it that he hands over a healthy country, but Trump will hand over a country that suoerficially is doing well but below the surface is sitting on a bubble about to burst. Obama handed over a healthy country which is why the economy is doing so well; the seeds were planted under Obama and the garden is now blooming. When Trump's successors have to fix a messed-up economy, Trump will boast how well things were under his watch, when in fact he is the architect of America's future problems.

What a load of crap. Obama solved NOTHING. He created an even BIGGER problem. He printed money and just made the problem worse. He inflated bubbles even more that should've been allowed to burst. He created the too big to fail banks, he created the too big to jail bankers. What he should have done is let the bubbles pop, that is what happens in a REAL MARKET. Now what we have is a house of cards just waiting to fall at the slightest touch. QE4 on the way, to QE infinity. The everything bubble is just waiting to pop, who knows how long they can keep this ponzi scheme going but when it pops, grab a hold of something because it's going to be a bumpy ride....

 

[Ancalagon]

I've never understood why people are pro illegal immigration. Legal immigration - sure. Illegal immigration - why in the hell would you support that?

There are legal ways to immigrate to the States. Its difficult, to be sure, but possible. What makes you such a special snowflake that the laws should not apply to you? That you should get the chance to get into the USA? How does the fact that you are willing to break the law make you eligible for settlement into the United States, or deserving of a place there?

I just don't get it. If you decide that the immigration laws don't apply to you, can you decide that other laws don't apply to you either?

"But but but my third world country is so bad, its not my fault, I deserve a place in the USA!"

Just reeks of entitlement.

 

[buka001]

Indeed, and my only contribution until you started attempting your character assassination routine was to identify trolling. I didn't even bother to call out any of Lumeer's sentiments, although by your standards one has to wonder why you didn't denounce his sentiments.

Instead we get this partisan drivel from you:

Cognitive dissonance, thy name is Buka001. Your posts are nothing but bad faith trolling, and in the process you demean the standards you proclaim to champion.

So when I post, it is partisan drivel.

When everyone else here posts its cool.

Masterclass in irony.

 

[Emjay]

Yes, it is the individuals fault for soaking up the relentless right wing, pro-Trumpist propaganda.

Yet, you won't let go of your pearls because people here are mocking the Left for their authoritarianism. You really have zero self awareness...

 

[buka001]

Yet, you won't let go of your pearls because people here are mocking the Left for their authoritarianism. You really have zero self awareness...

And when people on the Right are called out for violence and mass murder, the left are still mocked for calling out right wing terrorism.

 

[Emjay]

I didn't even bother to call out any of Lumeer's sentiments, although by your standards one has to wonder why you didn't denounce his sentiments.

We have had a lot of disagreements recently, but I am in full agreement with you on this one.

And just to note, that he still not has denounced it, despite literally losing it because people are defending against/mocking the stupidity of earlier.

 

[Emjay]

And when people on the Right are called out for violence and mass murder, the left are still mocked for calling out right wing terrorism.

I am still waiting for you to show me how someone on the Right on these forums has openly advocated violence against someone for their support of a politician, or an ideological position. All I am getting are weak strawmen arguments.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

So when I post, it is partisan drivel.

When everyone else here posts its cool.

Masterclass in irony.

You tried to call me out personally in a thread where I wasn't even active wrt the subject at hand, what the fsck did you expect?

But yes, how ironic that the troll steps on his own landmine.

 

[Unhappy438]

This is what you get from unfettered illegal immigration. It depresses working class peoples wages, creates unemployment and unsanitary living conditions. The Dems don't care about standard of living, they only care about enriching themselves at the expense of everyone. Do as I say not as I do. Illegal immigration only benefits corporations and strong borders create strong countries.

Yeah, wonderful places. And funnily enough they were better under Republican rule. I'll take being middle class or lower middle class over living in a hell hole, crime ridden, corrupt wasteland, where the Mega Oligarchs rule with an iron fist.

Haha you think only one group of politicians doesnt care? Politicians are politicians, you are incredibly naive if you think anything else. As for better under republican rule, thats just like your opinion thats not backed by facts at all - https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2018/03/13/red-states-blue-states-two-economies-one-nation/

 

[cerebus]

I've never understood why people are pro illegal immigration. Legal immigration - sure. Illegal immigration - why in the hell would you support that?

Who is for illegal immigration? Thing is, America has alway had a tradition of permitting an illegal workforce to exist under the table - going back at least a century. The US-Mexico border is hugely porous and Cubans can basically raft over. Everyone does it; Texas is swarming with undocumented Mexicans and they make up a significant part of the population, and some industries are dependent on them. Hell, even Trump has been using illegal workers for years until he realized he had to appeal to an anti-immigrant base.

It doesn't help of course that US entry requirements are extremely prohibitive, so a lot of people just come and overstay their visas.

If you want to reform the system and eliminate illegal immigration, you need to do so with an understanding that a lot of these people have already integrated into society and become productive citizens. Their children were born in the US and don't know any other country. And refugees trying to enter at the border are following the standard protocol for refugee entry and do not have any other channels available. None of these groups deserve demonization; they don't deserve to be separated from their parents and locked into cages; they don't deserve to be raided and deported back to countries they have never known.

Detroit man who lived his life in the US dies after deportation to Iraq

Man who came to the US as a child was deported over criminal convictions amid a crackdown.

www.bbc.com

 

[cerebus]

I am still waiting for you to show me how someone on the Right on these forums has openly advocated violence against someone for their support of a politician, or an ideological position.

Who ever said they had?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

We have had a lot of disagreements recently, but I am in full agreement with you on this one.

And just to note, that he still not has denounced it, despite literally losing it because people are defending against/mocking the stupidity of earlier.

Yup. That's why one can reasonably conclude that the behaviour he's decrying is just a facade for an ulterior motive.

 

[buka001]

I am still waiting for you to show me how someone on the Right on these forums has openly advocated violence against someone for their support of a politician, or an ideological position. All I am getting are weak strawmen arguments.

You are strawmanning the argument.

I did not say people on the right advocate for violence.

I said they defend the matter as not being the fault of the individual and his ideological persuasions, but instead it is the fault of the left that someone shot up a mall because of his fears with illegal immigrants.

There is always the argument to disavow a right wing terrorists ideology from right wing ideology on this forum.

Yes Lumeer overstepped and before I ventured in, he had retracted his call.

Edit - oh and the veiled threat that one guy who quoted Mein Kampf. I think myself and Cerebus were the only ones who called him out.

 

[Ancalagon]

Who is for illegal immigration? Thing is, America has alway had a tradition of permitting an illegal workforce to exist under the table - going back at least a century. The US-Mexico border is hugely porous and Cubans can basically raft over. Everyone does it; Texas is swarming with undocumented Mexicans and they make up a significant part of the population, and some industries are dependent on them. Hell, even Trump has been using illegal workers for years until he realized he had to appeal to an anti-immigrant base.

It doesn't help of course that US entry requirements are extremely prohibitive, so a lot of people just come and overstay their visas.

If you want to reform the system and eliminate illegal immigration, you need to do so with an understanding that a lot of these people have already integrated into society and become productive citizens. Their children were born in the US and don't know any other country. And refugees trying to enter at the border are following the standard protocol for refugee entry and do not have any other channels available. None of these groups deserve demonization; they don't deserve to be separated from their parents and locked into cages; they don't deserve to be raided and deported back to countries they have never known.

Detroit man who lived his life in the US dies after deportation to Iraq

Man who came to the US as a child was deported over criminal convictions amid a crackdown.

www.bbc.com

What does the border being porous have to do with it? Its still illegal. It doesn't make it right.

Second, separating families is because of bad implementation. Immigration should still be legal, but separating families is wrong.

Third, if you want to illegally emigrate, you need to deal with the fact that there may be consequences for you and your family. Possibly including deportation.

Fourth, refugees are legal immigrants, in cases where legal immigration channels have been followed. If refugees try to enter illegally, then they are just like everybody else and deserve no special treatment.

The only fair way to allocate stretched resources is according to the law. This is why immigration rules need to be followed. Not because some people are better than others, but because things must be fair.

"A lot of people come and overstay their visas" - again, not sure why this means they must now be granted the right to remain. I really don't get your argument. One cannot just decide that the laws don't apply to you. It doesn't work.

 

[Emjay]

If you want to reform the system and eliminate illegal immigration, you need to do so with an understanding that a lot of these people have already integrated into society and become productive citizens. Their children were born in the US and don't know any other country. And refugees trying to enter at the border are following the standard protocol for refugee entry and do not have any other channels available. None of these groups deserve demonization; they don't deserve to be separated from their parents and locked into cages; they don't deserve to be raided and deported back to countries they have never known.

Then why did the Democrats reject a deal that included a path to Citizenship for the dreamers?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

You are strawmanning the argument.

I did not say people on the right advocate for violence.

I said they defend the matter as not being the fault of the individual and his ideological persuasions, but instead it is the fault of the left that someone shot up a mall because of his fears with illegal immigrants.

There is always the argument to disavow a right wing terrorists ideology from right wing ideology on this forum.

Yes Lumeer overstepped and before I ventured in, he had retracted his call.

Edit - oh and the veiled threat that one guy who quoted Mein Kampf. I think myself and Cerebus were the only ones who called him out.

See, you can't even paraphrase your own conduct without giving the game away. Your refusal to discuss the influence of ideological persuasions on the situation in general shows how your engagements are conducted in bad faith, there is no grounds for you to claim that individual responsibility is absolute without contradicting your own position.