PS5 or XBox Series X

[RazedInBlack]

REALLY Disappointing News About The Xbox Series S

 

[Bryn]

I wish MS just did a Sony and chopped $100 off the price if you take a model without an optical drive. I would have bought a digital-only Series X, exactly like I'll be buying the digital-only PS5 eventually.

 

[DarkStarMonday]

REALLY Disappointing News About The Xbox Series S

Then buy a series X if you want full HD/package and great fps ... duh

From the start the series S wasn't meant to be the powerful version, MS clearly stated that ... " You get what you buy "

No matter what anyone says, nothing, nada, zilch, zero, I am still buying the series S because ... well I damn well want one and the price per specs for that little machine is a no brainer compared to anything else.

PS: when you got little kids running around with sticky hands and plastic cricket bats, a nice shinny 4k TV really means nothing ... It's like cannon fodder to them !

 

[DarkStarMonday]

I wish MS just did a Sony and chopped $100 off the price if you take a model without an optical drive. I would have bought a digital-only Series X, exactly like I'll be buying the digital-only PS5 eventually.

Actually Sony were the ones that waited for MS to announce the series S ... they simply took the ps5 and chopped the disk drive out to make it " Affordable " or " Digital "

There is nothing wrong with a series S - The machine will play games and run apps just fine, and if you want 4k native then buy the series X.

For me - R7000 compared to R10 000 is a big difference I am wiling to live with

 

[Polymathic]

REALLY Disappointing News About The Xbox Series S

more worrying is that the SX runs at only 1080p/60

 

[AlphaJohn]

REALLY Disappointing News About The Xbox Series S

If Rich stopped making click bait he would have had to go find a real job and actually do something for a living.

That said
I know pretty well what I am getting into buying an S. and I am not willing to fork out an extra R5000 just so I can have a bigger black box next to my 1080p TV. Worse, a black box that might see 2-6 hours of gaming in a week. I like GamePass Ultimate, I have a gaming PC I wanna dip my toes back into consoles, its like the Series S was made for me. Also if resolution was the only thing that mattered, people like me, would not build things like Recalbox on a Raspberry PI and never replay old games.

As for game dev concerns he is a tad late to the party... that news is sooo last month

 

[AlphaJohn]

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

I dont understand the reason for the series S and why anyone would buy that. Just stay then with your previous gen console, if you dont have one buy one secondhand, you can pick them up for 3.5k. If it cant even run games at 60fps on launch what is going to happen when more demanding games comes out the next few years?
I dont see the PS5 digital really as a budget version. My kids don't use disks, all their games is digital downloads, so when they get the PS5 it will be a waste not to buy the digital. Rather spend that extra 2k to expand storage

 

[groenspookasem]

yea i also dont understand the XSS. It may be cheaper outright, but everybody knows (just like Nick Cave) that you will be buying a m2 in the not so distant future, which will bring the cost closer if not equal to the XSX ? Then the cores and the downscaling schlep

I'm looking at those 1tb m2s and am salivating already. My boys games are all digital downloads. (do people still buy spinning media? Isn't that like NOISY slow USB1 like thing? ugh) We bought the non-digital ps5 (stupid out of stock in seconds preoders)

anyway, i dont even know if the disc drive in our ps4 works, never used it.

 

[AlphaJohn]

I dont understand the reason for the series S and why anyone would buy that. Just stay then with your previous gen console, if you dont have one buy one secondhand, you can pick them up for 3.5k. If it cant even run games at 60fps on launch what is going to happen when more demanding games comes out the next few years?
I dont see the PS5 digital really as a budget version. My kids don't use disks, all their games is digital downloads, so when they get the PS5 it will be a waste not to buy the digital. Rather spend that extra 2k to expand storage

A) I dont do secondhand, paid waaay to much for that lesson many times over.
B) It can do 60 fps at a lower resolution. I'm fine running 900p if I have to, I mean I still play some 320x240 games on my TV
C) Companies tend to make games only targeting new generations so buying old tech to save money end up costing more in the long run.

Also to each their own, I say. As long as you know what you letting yourself into.

 

[Polymathic]

If Rich stopped making click bait he would have had to go find a real job and actually do something for a living.

That said
I know pretty well what I am getting into buying an S. and I am not willing to fork out an extra R5000 just so I can have a bigger black box next to my 1080p TV. Worse, a black box that might see 2-6 hours of gaming in a week. I like GamePass Ultimate, I have a gaming PC I wanna dip my toes back into consoles, its like the Series S was made for me. Also if resolution was the only thing that mattered, people like me, would not build things like Recalbox on a Raspberry PI and never replay old games.

As for game dev concerns he is a tad late to the party... that news is sooo last month

I've just remembered from DF Yakuza has 3 different modes on the SX, a 4K 30 mode, a 1440 60 (with occasional dips to 50fps) and 1080p 60 (with zero dips in fps) presumably on the SS it will have a 1440p 30 mode, a 1080p 60 mode (with occasional dips) and 900p 60 mode (zero dips in fps)

 

[Barbarian Conan]

I dont understand the reason for the series S and why anyone would buy that. Just stay then with your previous gen console, if you dont have one buy one secondhand, you can pick them up for 3.5k. If it cant even run games at 60fps on launch what is going to happen when more demanding games comes out the next few years?
I dont see the PS5 digital really as a budget version. My kids don't use disks, all their games is digital downloads, so when they get the PS5 it will be a waste not to buy the digital. Rather spend that extra 2k to expand storage

I know that there's a lot of info in this thread, so I'll just state it again.
The CPU of the Series S is almost the same as the Series X, and is almost 4x as fast as the One X in single threaded performance, and more than 4x as fast in multi threaded performance.
The CPU is the important bit to enable games. The differences in GPU is less than 20% in frequency, the rest being shaders, which again is more important for higher resolutions. You still get ray tracing in the series S, again, just at a lower resolution.

If you dont have a 4K TV, or if you only have a 32" TV whereever you want to game, or your kid wants to game, you would have to be daft to buy the Series X over a Series S.

Hell, the Series S can do 120hz, so if you are predominantly a PC gamer with a 1080p 144hz display (or even a 1440p 144hz), why would you spend the extra R5K?
I also suspect that the new consoles will have close to DLSS quality upscaling for the next gen games.

Edit: This is what I expect. I personally wouldn't buy any hardware before reviews come out.

 

[AlphaJohn]

I also suspect that the new consoles will have close to DLSS quality upscaling for the next gen games.

Been reading about upscaling tech... The series S does indeed have upscaling up to 4K, its not DLSS but some Microsoft/ATI variant of it.

Microsoft Upscaling started back in the One S days but hit a limitation re CPU, something the Series S addresses.

Also in my browsing YouTube suggested this Interesting video re Upscaling:

Also found this intresting tidbit:

How you can expand Xbox Series X and Xbox Series X storage with USB 3.1 hard drives
As well as internal and external custom SSD solutions, traditional external USB 3.1 hard drives are also supported.

These drives can store and play Xbox backwards compatible games direct from the drive. If you have an external USB 3.1 drive on an Xbox One currently, that can be plugged into an Xbox Series X or S and work right away.

A USB 3.1 drive can also carry Xbox Series games as storage, which can be transferred to Series X or S's internal SSD or Storage Expansion Card to then be played.

Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-series-ssd-expansion-card-size-speed-price-6300

Anyway.... we will know the full info once they released, for now I am 100% OK with installing 1 or maybe 2 games and play them on 900p anything above that will be pure bonus.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

I know that there's a lot of info in this thread, so I'll just state it again.
The CPU of the Series S is almost the same as the Series X, and is almost 4x as fast as the One X in single threaded performance, and more than 4x as fast in multi threaded performance.
The CPU is the important bit to enable games. The differences in GPU is less than 20% in frequency, the rest being shaders, which again is more important for higher resolutions. You still get ray tracing in the series S, again, just at a lower resolution.

If you dont have a 4K TV, or if you only have a 32" TV whereever you want to game, or your kid wants to game, you would have to be daft to buy the Series X over a Series S.

Hell, the Series S can do 120hz, so if you are predominantly a PC gamer with a 1080p 144hz display (or even a 1440p 144hz), why would you spend the extra R5K?
I also suspect that the new consoles will have close to DLSS quality upscaling for the next gen games.

Edit: This is what I expect. I personally wouldn't buy any hardware before reviews come out.

That all sounds wonderful, except someone allready posted a link to a game where you have to go to 900p to just have 60fps, we not even talking 120fps here

 

[WaRLoRd ZA]

I know that there's a lot of info in this thread, so I'll just state it again.
The CPU of the Series S is almost the same as the Series X, and is almost 4x as fast as the One X in single threaded performance, and more than 4x as fast in multi threaded performance.
The CPU is the important bit to enable games. The differences in GPU is less than 20% in frequency, the rest being shaders, which again is more important for higher resolutions. You still get ray tracing in the series S, again, just at a lower resolution.

If you dont have a 4K TV, or if you only have a 32" TV whereever you want to game, or your kid wants to game, you would have to be daft to buy the Series X over a Series S.

Hell, the Series S can do 120hz, so if you are predominantly a PC gamer with a 1080p 144hz display (or even a 1440p 144hz), why would you spend the extra R5K?
I also suspect that the new consoles will have close to DLSS quality upscaling for the next gen games.

Edit: This is what I expect. I personally wouldn't buy any hardware before reviews come out.

At this point the performance between the 3 next gen consoles and how they'll compare are unknown. We'll have to wait for Richard and Paul to give us they're analysis. I'm very excited to see them in action.

There's nothing wrong with the Series S. It's basically a Game Pass box and is targeted at more budget conscious/new players who don't have 4K displays. If someone plays on a OG XO then the S will be a vast improvement across the board. Everyone's gaming needs/circumstances differ. So having the option is cool.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

That all sounds wonderful, except someone allready posted a link to a game where you have to go to 900p to just have 60fps, we not even talking 120fps here

On an early preview.
Where the Series X runs mostly 1440p60, but has to do down to 1080p just to have a locked 60fps.

Yup, you read right. Looking at that game, the new R12 000 Xbox Series X is a 1080p60 console.

We would have to wait for a proper Series S review to see how well it holds 900p60, but for only 180 vertical pixels more R5 000 seems a bit steep.

 

[WaRLoRd ZA]

On an early preview.
Where the Series X runs mostly 1440p60, but has to do down to 1080p just to have a locked 60fps.

Yup, you read right. Looking at that game, the new R12 000 Xbox Series X is a 1080p60 console.

We would have to wait for a proper Series S review to see how well it holds 900p60, but for only 180 vertical pixels more R5 000 seems a bit steep.

Do we have any word on what kind of resolution and frames we'll be getting on current or next gen consoles for Cyberpunk 2077?

900 30 for XO
1080 30 for PS4
4K 30 for One X
2k-4K 30 for PS4 Pro
2K-4k 60 for SX
2k-4k 60 for PS5
1440 60 for SS

Maybe? Let's hope.

 

[Rosaudio]

I'm just hoping the PS5 can support a 1440p output. I'm worried it wont because Sony doesnt care about PC monitor users.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Do not want to go all PC Master race on this but:

Even us PC gamers know Ray Tracing is a B + an itch. turn that sucker on and watch your high frames drop faster than the Economy during a pan... I mean the R vs dol... actually lets just say it drops and drops hard.

Personally I still see it as a useless money grab like the old 3D TV Tech from a couple of years back. We not really ready for full blown Ray's yet, later yes not right now. Hell even a 2080 that cost more than the Consoles alone has issues with it.... do you really think a R7-12K box gonna handle it better.

Sadly its the new "in" and sadly it makes the new systems look weaker than what they really are. No way we can build a PC spec'ed as a PS5 or Xbox Series S/X for the money they charging for em boxes, so there is loads of value just we killing it the "bit its not reflecting properly" or "look how low the frame count is" new buzz word.

 

[Genisys]

Do not want to go all PC Master race on this but:

Even us PC gamers know Ray Tracing is a B + an itch. turn that sucker on and watch your high frames drop faster than the Economy during a pan... I mean the R vs dol... actually lets just say it drops and drops hard.

Personally I still see it as a useless money grab like the old 3D TV Tech from a couple of years back. We not really ready for full blown Ray's yet, later yes not right now. Hell even a 2080 that cost more than the Consoles alone has issues with it.... do you really think a R7-12K box gonna handle it better.

Sadly its the new "in" and sadly it makes the new systems look weaker than what they really are. No way we can build a PC spec'ed as a PS5 or Xbox Series S/X for the money they charging for em boxes, so there is loads of value just we killing it the "bit its not reflecting properly" or "look how low the frame count is" new buzz word.

Don't bring logic into this discussion. "$consoleOfChoice will support 120hz!" (Yet everyone fails to realize that most TV's are 60Hz and the consoles will have to try and run 1080p to get more than 60fps) . Throw buzz words and terms like "Ray Tracing" into the marketing material and everyone who heard about it once before wants to get it to be cool in front of their friends. We have been having RTX on PC for years, still have not had the need to get RTX capable cards. Don't worry however, Consoles have exclusives!!!