PS5 or XBox Series X

[Mr Scratch]

some circus clown logic being made by some of y'all here

 

[Elon]

I strongly disagree that the PC should be left out of this thread. Thread title is a false dichotomy and supporting it is a self-imposed mental handicap. Not to mention that consoles are PCs with artificial limitations placed on them to support a business model that is anti-consumer in exchange for exclusives not worth the trade-offs until many years later when the price of the games and hardware comes down. The PS5 barely keeps up with a high-end PC from 5 years ago and you can be like me and have separate PC rigs for work and play. Also, Steam big picture mode.

 

[mr_norris]

Oh no. You are about to start an argument about PC vs console again. A console is better in every way imaginable, minus cost of course. Lets look at cost of owning a console.

TV: about R30K for a "decent" TV that has 4K@120 support?
Console: R12K
Extra controllers: R1500+?
Games: R1500 a shot and you know you need the newest, so about R 6000 for 4 new AAA titles

Where is a console great value for money again? What I'm seeing is a massive amount of money to pretend PC gaming is expensive when in fact PC gaming comes in cheaper

This is a toughy, think it depends on the circumstances here.

TV: I already had one, and I would regularly connect my laptop to it when jamming.
Console: Can't argue
Extra controllers: I only care about myself So no need for this.
Games: I won't mention the pass that shall not be named, for it is forbidden in this thread. When there are sales, the prices between the Xbox store and Steam are more or less in line. Preorders for cross platform games are also more or less the same. There is a bit of a console premium on top of games if you buy outside of specials though, that I can't deny.

So you ask where is the value for money, for me it's in the 12k cost for really pimp hardware, and a bit of upfront money for the pass that shall not be named.

If I had to buy a similarly spec'd PC, you are looking at 25k+. I am being generous and leaving out the peripherals, but I would have to buy those too. It would take years upon years to reach the breakeven point. Add in the value of the pass that shall not be named and I don't see it ever being reached.

It is different if you already have a PC and the expense is a GPU upgrade. But even then - whole system for 12k, or one GPU for 12k. We could go on forever. Believe it or not, the console makes sense financially.

 

[mr_norris]

Also, Steam big picture mode.

Have you ever done the random video / audio dance with a PC and a TV? Sometimes I'd start a game - game is upset because it's confused with the 4k TV. Or video goes to TV and audio comes out of PC, or vice versa. Or a close second best; the controller dance where either the game doesn't handle input very well, or can't see the controller at all. Things only get worse when you try a non-Steam game.

It's good when it works, but it never worked a lot for me. I do not miss those days.

In fact, one of the biggest reasons I went with a Samsung TV a few years ago was Steam link. But my tolerance for troubleshooting died a horrible death. Besides the physical steam link box I once had and used, I haven't used it again. Thought I'd solve my woes with a direct HDMI cable. Didn't really help.

 

[Elon]

Have you ever done the random video / audio dance with a PC and a TV? Sometimes I'd start a game - game is upset because it's confused with the 4k TV. Or video goes to TV and audio comes out of PC, or vice versa. Or a close second best; the controller dance where either the game doesn't handle input very well, or can't see the controller at all. Things only get worse when you try a non-Steam game.

It's good when it works, but it never worked a lot for me. I do not miss those days.

In fact, one of the biggest reasons I went with a Samsung TV a few years ago was Steam link. But my tolerance for troubleshooting died a horrible death. Besides the physical steam link box I once had and used, I haven't used it again. Thought I'd solve my woes with a direct HDMI cable. Didn't really help.

Yes, many years ago. These days with graphics cards being able to process audio and then send it over the HDMI/Display Port, I've had no issues so long as windows knows I want the GPU handling the audio and not the onboard/sound card. None of the games I've played recently (that were a good fit for a controller) have had an issue with my DS4 because Steam has it's own driver now but I've only tried it with a handful of games and of course there's the Epic Games Store and Uplay and Origin ...

My post wasn't totally serious I just think it's worth pondering. Totally get your frustration but things have improved... a little.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

You can't factor in the cost of the TV.

You buy fuel because you have a car. You don't buy a car because you have fuel.

When you buy a TV, you start adding on peripherals to it like your media box, home theatre system, and maybe a console if that's how you prefer to play your games.

As for games the only one I bought so far was Cyberpunk for R999 and Borderlands 3 for R399. The rest I got off GP. The Medium will also be launching straight onto GP in a couple of weeks. Not sure which orifice you're pulling those prices from...

Why not?
When I bought a TV it was only to be used with a PS3/PS4.

Even if you use your TV for other things, if you bought a TV which support 120hz, that 120hz feature is solely for gaming. Its like buying a 144hz gaming monitor over a standard 60hz one.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

Have you ever done the random video / audio dance with a PC and a TV? Sometimes I'd start a game - game is upset because it's confused with the 4k TV. Or video goes to TV and audio comes out of PC, or vice versa. Or a close second best; the controller dance where either the game doesn't handle input very well, or can't see the controller at all. Things only get worse when you try a non-Steam game.

It's good when it works, but it never worked a lot for me. I do not miss those days.

In fact, one of the biggest reasons I went with a Samsung TV a few years ago was Steam link. But my tolerance for troubleshooting died a horrible death. Besides the physical steam link box I once had and used, I haven't used it again. Thought I'd solve my woes with a direct HDMI cable. Didn't really help.

My "problem" is pretty much the opposite. Whenever I connect to a monitor with audio passthrough, the PC switches to that monitor as the audio source. I had to disable all monitors in my sound settings, weird as that sounds.

 

[Polymathic]

This is a toughy, think it depends on the circumstances here.

TV: I already had one, and I would regularly connect my laptop to it when jamming.
Console: Can't argue
Extra controllers: I only care about myself So no need for this.
Games: I won't mention the pass that shall not be named, for it is forbidden in this thread. When there are sales, the prices between the Xbox store and Steam are more or less in line. Preorders for cross platform games are also more or less the same. There is a bit of a console premium on top of games if you buy outside of specials though, that I can't deny.

So you ask where is the value for money, for me it's in the 12k cost for really pimp hardware, and a bit of upfront money for the pass that shall not be named.

If I had to buy a similarly spec'd PC, you are looking at 25k+. I am being generous and leaving out the peripherals, but I would have to buy those too. It would take years upon years to reach the breakeven point. Add in the value of the pass that shall not be named and I don't see it ever being reached.

It is different if you already have a PC and the expense is a GPU upgrade. But even then - whole system for 12k, or one GPU for 12k. We could go on forever. Believe it or not, the console makes sense financially.

Depends, if you need a PC/laptop for work anyway then the upgrade will actually then that changes the equation slightly

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Why not?
When I bought a TV it was only to be used with a PS3/PS4.

Even if you use your TV for other things, if you bought a TV which support 120hz, that 120hz feature is solely for gaming. Its like buying a 144hz gaming monitor over a standard 60hz one.

My TV was relatively high end when I got it 3 years ago. It does 120 Hz @ 1080p but not 4k.

I'm not going to buy a new TV just because I got a new console, and I suspect it's the same for most people.

Getting a new TV is because you're due for an upgrade anyway. If that coincides with a new console, that's a bonus...

 

[Splinter]

some circus clown logic being made by some of y'all here

"some of y'all"?

That's some circus elephant-dung logic right there

 

[Splinter]

Why not?
When I bought a TV it was only to be used with a PS3/PS4.

Even if you use your TV for other things, if you bought a TV which support 120hz, that 120hz feature is solely for gaming. Its like buying a 144hz gaming monitor over a standard 60hz one.

I certainly spent the money I did on my TV with general viewing factors in mind - TV, sports and movies. Plus it being one of the best Smart TV's around at the time. The brilliant way it handled console gaming was just a bonus, really.

 

[Markd]

So I've always been partial to Playstation, but Im thinking this generation....I might actually give XBOX a go. I recently helped a family member find and buy an XBOX Series S, which given that they were on a tight budget and their TV was 1080p worked out perfectly. We must have got one of the last ones because can't really find much stock at the moment anymore.

Anyway, we also got GamePass ultimate for like $1 for the first month, with the next 2 months free, and then R149 per month thereafter. And oh my word - the amount of games available is insane! PLus you get the games with Gold every month as well. Thinking about it, with many games moving towards cross-play between PC and Consoles (COD is a good example) I am now super tempted to get an XBox Series X when they are back in stock.

Consoles have always been secondary to me and Ive primarily done my gaming on PC. With the GamePass, Im able to access a decent selection of games on PC as well as Console which is cool. Plus I'm looking at the pricing of new graphics cards like the 3060 and I reckon I would need potentially a motherboard and CPU upgrade over and above that. Im tempted to just switch to XBOX, get GamePass ultimate, and not worry about upgrading my PC for another 5+ years. I'm really tempted.

 

[Polymathic]

Without DLSS enabled COD Cold War's ray tracing on the PS5 lies roughly between a 3070 and 3070 Super though certain settings on the PC cannot be lowered enough to match the PS5.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

My TV was relatively high end when I got it 3 years ago. It does 120 Hz @ 1080p but not 4k.

I'm not going to buy a new TV just because I got a new console, and I suspect it's the same for most people.

Getting a new TV is because you're due for an upgrade anyway. If that coincides with a new console, that's a bonus...

As long as you compare apples to apples.
If you compare PC gaming to console gaming, and high refresh rate gaming is important to you, then you have to include the price of the TV on the one end, and a 144hz monitor on the other.
Nothing wrong with 120hz 1080p if the image is sharp. It doesn't seem like the consoles can really do 120fps at much resolutions higher than that anyway.

 

[Solitude]

Hitman 3 on Series X has a resolution advantage over PS5

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The PS5 runs at 1800p resolution,
Series S at 1080p resolution,
Series X at 4K native. (44% more pixels than the PS5 which is pretty crazy)

Interestingly the Series X runs at PC's equivalent of high quality shadows and the PS5 at medium quality shadows, however the PS5 stays at a constant 60fps whereas the Series X runs between 50 and 60fps.

So it looks like developers are finally coming right with the extra power of the Series X.

 

[Polymathic]

Hitman 3 on Series X has a resolution advantage over PS5

The brilliant Hitman 3 from IO Interactive is here, an ambitious cross-platform project that sees the firm's proprietar…

www.eurogamer.net

The PS5 runs at 1800p resolution,
Series S at 1080p resolution,
Series X at 4K native. (44% more pixels than the PS5 which is pretty crazy)

Interestingly the Series X runs at PC's equivalent of high quality shadows and the PS5 at medium quality shadows, however the PS5 stays at a constant 60fps whereas the Series X runs between 50 and 60fps.

So it looks like developers are finally coming right with the extra power of the Series X.

Looks like the devs need to drop the Series X down to 1900p or

 

[tm458]

Looks like the devs need to drop the Series X down to 1900p or

I don't think it'd be viable just for one part on one map, I think they just need to do some slight tweaking then they'll be good because it's 60 fps everytime except the Mendoza mission in the field and some rare occasions when you scope in with a sniper to kill someone close range just outside of the mansion.

Not an expert or anything but on PC (with a measly Rx 570 at 1080p) running everything on ultra gave me 60 fps most of the time with some drops to the mid 50s like when I was walking in the street at night until that mendoza mission where my fps would just tank all the way down to around 35 fps outside when looking into the distance or when I was in the field. I then found that reducing the LOD detail from ultra to medium gave me regained quite a bit of my fps and took me from 35 to 47 fps so maybe they could change that. Again, I'm not an expert.

 

[Solitude]

Looks like the devs need to drop the Series X down to 1900p or

If they want to keep it at a solid 60fps then they can maybe just go from high to medium shadows. However it sounds like it still runs 60fps most of the time so it's really not necessary.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Gryp na grashalms

 

[Elon]

If they want to keep it at a solid 60fps then they can maybe just go from high to medium shadows. However it sounds like it still runs 60fps most of the time so it's really not necessary.

Very impressive. I wonder if dips below 60fps will matter much in future with new televisions supporting Freesync.