Public Protector staff had to bow to 'Madam' Mkhwebane, Section 194 committee hears

[Cosmik Debris]

From what I can gather they're some form of warning letter


Seems to possibly be related to something like audi alteram partem

Audis alteram partem means right to reply.

 

[Calkem]

Heading, yes. Narrative, no. She expected excessive gestures indicating respect. It was her ego. If indeed she expected people to rise whenever she enters a room (note, NOT only a boardroom or at meetings, but everywhere), this is plain egomania.


No it is not. If you, having any sort of C-level experience, expect employees to rise every time you enter a room, I will not work for you. And your production would be abysmal, interrupting processes and concentration of every employee if you just walk through a room and expect to be risen to. Please note the difference between "every instance" , and "normal instances" of decorum, such as meetings. This is crux.


Boardroom decorum vs every-instance decorum. No-one is confusing the two, except you.


Did you not hear the part where she had one of the employees removed - yes, FIRED - simply because she called her "Busisiwe"? She did not care to engage with concerns, merely had the person removed from office? Did you not follow the testimonials with all the audi letters? Sanctions were blatantly excessive and severe.

Alright .... Go with it

 

[ToxicBunny]

Audis alteram partem means right to reply.

I'm aware... but the "audi letter" would be a warning letter with right to reply or make representation is what I'm getting at.

 

[surface]

Indian institutions are recognised in the US and Australia.

Looks like superior genes puked again? Am I right or am I ?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Some legal jargon?

Latin. No longer taught in SA legal schools to the detriment of the legal meaning.

Audi- To hear
Alteram- To present a point of view which may be different
Partem.- To discuss the merits.

Xhosa and Zulu in legal arguments?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Looks like superior genes puked again? Am I right or am I ?

Which genes do you consider superior? I can't answer your question until I know the basis of your belief.

 

[TheChamp]

Latin. No longer taught in SA legal schools to the detriment of the legal meaning.

Audi- To hear
Alteram- To present a point of view which may be different
Partem.- To discuss the merits.

Xhosa and Zulu in legal arguments?

Good thing they stopped teaching it, pointless nonsense, what's wrong with good, old fashioned English?

 

[Speedster]

Good thing they stopped teaching it, pointless nonsense, what's wrong with good, old fashioned English?

The foundations of our law are based in Rome. Understanding their language allows a deeper understanding of the legal principles

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Good thing they stopped teaching it, pointless nonsense, what's wrong with good, old fashioned English?

Because a single Latin word can describe an entire legal term. The reason the law is based on Roman - Dutch law. And the South African version of English is atrocious anyway with many different interpretations and contextual confusions. Latin removes all that.

 

[TheChamp]

The foundations of our law are based in Rome. Understanding their language allows a deeper understanding of the legal principles

They'll get it all from Google, it's just scattered terminology. I honestly can't believe it was really being taught as a course, it must have been the most boring course of all time.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Latin. No longer taught in SA legal schools to the detriment of the legal meaning.

Audi- To hear
Alteram- To present a point of view which may be different
Partem.- To discuss the merits.

Xhosa and Zulu in legal arguments?

We no longer follow many of those laws written in latin.
Not in their spirit anyway.
Very much interpretive dance/law at this point.

 

[Speedster]

They'll get it all from Google, it's just scattered terminology. I honestly can't believe it was really being taught as a course, it must have been the most boring course of all time.

That's like saying engineers can just get their maths from Google.

 

[TheChamp]

That's like saying engineers can just get their maths from Google.

No, it's not.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

They'll get it all from Google, it's just scattered terminology. I honestly can't believe it was really being taught as a course, it must have been the most boring course of all time.

Law is a degree, not a course. And you only think of it as scattered terminology because you have absolutely fuskall idea of the usefulness and development of the system. Your ignorance on full display.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

No, it's not.

You're an engineer? How would you know?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

We no longer follow many of those laws written in latin.
Not in their spirit anyway.
Very much interpretive dance/law at this point.

SA law has devolved to the interpretation of the throwing of bones.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

SA law has devolved to the interpretation of the throwing of bones.

Is anywhere still following Roman law ?
A ton say they do, but the are almost at bone throwing level.

 

[daveza]

Good thing they stopped teaching it, pointless nonsense, what's wrong with good, old fashioned English?

Omnino tibi adsentior.