Pupils allegedly torch Durban school over confiscated cellphones

[Gyre]

I'm not sure what you want me to do about it.

Hahaha, weak.

I don't want you to do anything, I'm saying the brain dead behavior is the result of the brain dead system and brain dead expectations.

 

[ShaunSA]

I don't want you to do anything, I'm saying the brain dead behavior is the result of the brain dead parents.

ftfy

 

[porchrat]

I am having discussions with different people based on different posting history - how does having an opinion over an issue relate to them being "my mates" - very subjective what you reply to?

The your mates comment was asinine and not at all constructive. No point responding to juvenile nonsense.

I didn't actually see that post you were responding to, my bad entirely.

I do, in general, think taxpayers have a right to be angry about this. They paid for that building.

 

[Gyre]

The your mates comment was asinine and not at all constructive. No point responding to juvenile nonsense.

I didn't actually see that post you were responding to, my bad entirely.

I do, in general, think taxpayers have a right to be angry about this. They paid for that building.

I am not saying people shouldn't be angry and I don't support the destruction of property, people are upset about the school but I am upset about the whole situation entirely, especially because it involves kids.

It's one thing to to say people shouldn't do something, it's another to pretends kids need to act a certain way - kids are spending their childhoods trying to figure out who they are and how the world works, and it has to be absolute hell when kids have to carry weapons around schools just to feel safe/rob people or take drugs just to feel good about the lives that they have.

This isn't defending burning of schools, this isn't even defending their behavior - there are bigger problems at this school and for these kids and perhaps my "glee" people are mistaking for is act the chickens coming home to roost.

 

[wingnut771]

I am not saying people shouldn't be angry and I don't support the destruction of property, people are upset about the school but I am upset about the whole situation entirely, especially because it involves kids.

It's one thing to to say people shouldn't do something, it's another to pretends kids need to act a certain way - kids are spending their childhoods trying to figure out who they are and how the world works, and it has to be absolute hell when kids have to carry weapons around schools just to feel safe/rob people or take drugs just to feel good about the lives that they have.

This isn't defending burning of schools, this isn't even defending their behavior - there are bigger problems at this school and for these kids and perhaps my "glee" people are mistaking for is act the chickens coming home to roost.

and yet the police found no weapons or drugs.

 

[Dylan_G]

Phones should never have been included in the search in the first place.

Removal of personal possesions without consent is theft.

So if a few students brought in their personal butterfly knives... Taking it away would be theft? And those banned items should not be included in the search?

 

[Kosmik]

So if a few students brought in their personal butterfly knives... Taking it away would be theft? And those banned items should not be included in the search?

Big differance between weapons and phones.

 

[Dylan_G]

Big differance between weapons and phones.

I agree.

Big difference between phones and drugs as well
Big difference between weapons and drugs as well

What they all have in common is, they are banned from being at school.

So with that context in mind... do you think students should be allowed personal banned items at school?

 

[porchrat]

I haven't seen you defend these kids either

Why would I? They're in the wrong. They've committed arson.

which is why I asked you which percentage we hold responsible?

We hold responsible the ones that burnt the school down.

You and your thumb-suck answer showed that you either don't know, or you genuinely don't care what the kids go through.

I care that kids burn down a school.

I don't support burning of infrastructure

Good, so you agree that those who burnt this infrastructure should face consequences?

but I also put kids about buildings, so you can't treat kids like **** for so long and expect nothing to happen.

No matter how one is treated this behaviour is unacceptable and should carry consequences.

Who cares? Whether they burnt a building down or not, you wouldn't give a **** regardless. True or false?

I care that a building my tax money contributed towards was destroyed because some kids got their phones confiscated.

No, a better comparison is like crying about them murdering a father when they murdered a thieving crook.

Both are wrong. Both are still murder.

Everyone buthurt over the school, wouldn't have sent their own kids there, even as a last resort - but because it has the "school" label attached to it, suddenly it evoked feelings in people

That our education system is in a shambles is a separate issue. That's the responsibility of our education department and it's failing miserably.

Ultimately the responsibility of turning that community around rests with that community. If they want local change that works for them they need to vote in people that will make that change happen, instead of allowing the neglect to continue.

Or I suppose... just burn it all down... that won't solve anything though. Just destroys what little shot at a future they had.

 

[Gyre]

and yet the police found no weapons or drugs.

Perhaps I'm projecting but I had to remove weapons from kids in the past, kids get a lot of their adults insecurities projected onto them, even telling them how to dress at evening classes in the fear that they got raped after leaving/going to parties.

 

[Dan C]

Phones should never have been included in the search in the first place.

Removal of personal possesions without consent is theft.

So if I carry a grenade in my school backpack, they are not allowed to confiscate it ?

 

[Kosmik]

So if I carry a grenade in my school backpack, they are not allowed to take it ?

Again, weapons.

Seems we have some proper non common sense peeps here.

Weapons fall under very specific rules and regs in the acts.

 

[mojoman]

Big differance between weapons and phones.

Unless you have the MacGuyver 500....

 

[Dan C]

Again, weapons.

Seems we have some proper non common sense peeps here.

Weapons fall under very specific rules and regs in the acts.

It was a ** joke... Jeez

 

[Kosmik]

It was a ** joke... Jeez

Sorry, long day with some frustrating calls

 

[Dan C]

Unless you have the MacGuyver 500....

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My first cellphone was so heavy, I could kill someone by throwing it on their head.

 

[Gyre]

Why would I? They're in the wrong. They've committed arson.

We hold responsible the ones that burnt the school down.

I care that kids burn down a school.

Good, so you agree that those who burnt this infrastructure should face consequences?

No matter how one is treated this behaviour is unacceptable and should carry consequences.

I care that a building my tax money contributed towards was destroyed because some kids got their phones confiscated.

Both are wrong. Both are still murder.

That our education system is in a shambles is a separate issue. That's the responsibility of our education department and it's failing miserably.

Ultimately the responsibility of turning that community around rests with that community. If they want local change that works for them they need to vote in people that will make that change happen, instead of allowing the neglect to continue.

Or I suppose... just burn it all down... that won't solve anything though. Just destroys what little shot at a future they had.

No such thing as black and white morality, I agree they should face court but there is no one size fits all solution, especially with minors.

Cool, and the rest? They can go back to bad teachers, poor education, toxic environments? Nobody cares coz the arsonists are locked up right? That is how you get more arsonists....

You mean you care about the school and your money more than you care about kids, or any kid? And you wonder why a kid who knows that nobody cares about them resorts to burning a classroom down? It just sounds like at the end of the day you don't' care regardless of any way this goes, and you not caring actually doesn't fix anything?

Both examples are murder, but they are vastly different scenarios, which is why it'll be left up to a court to judge on an individual basis.

I agree with you and I never said it was yours or my responsibility - I just said there is more to it.

They'll vote in people like you, who cares more about tax than the kids? Who treats every arsonist exactly the same, regardless of age and circumstances? And once the arsonists are locked up, go back to NOT caring about their circumstances? As pointed out, nobody cares about them at all, so voting won't help - so why hold it over them like a dangling carrot?

When you burn nothing, you lose nothing.

 

[wbot]

Removal of personal possesions without consent is theft.

The school confiscated the phones because phones are prohibited. They have every right to confiscate any item that does not belong at school. Police held on to it because there is no safe space at the school. Schools have every right to work with police.

 

[Gyre]

The school confiscated the phones because phones are prohibited. They have every right to confiscate any item that does not belong at school. Police held on to it because there is no safe space at the school. Schools have every right to work with police.

Back to my earlier question - a traffic cop pulls you over and requests you hand your cellphone over, do you do so?

 

[wingnut771]

Back to my earlier question - a traffic cop pulls you over and requests you hand your cellphone over, do you do so?

No, my car my rules.