R388m tax bill for Cape ‘gangster’

[TheChamp]

Many of those who found relief during the Moyane era are going to be having similar problems soon.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Many of those who found relief during te Moyane era are going to be having similar problems soon.

IBIWISI

 

[ToxicBunny]

IBIWISI

You probably won't see it because most of these things will be dealt with outside of court processes....

 

[Willie Trombone]

You probably won't see it because most of these things will be dealt with outside of court processes....

Probably

 

[Vrotappel]

an interesting perspective from taxation specialists:

http://www.sataxguide.co.za/the-mar...gment-taken-against-the-taxpayer/?print=print

They seem to completely miss the point that this is tax debt that is due. The guy must pay it. If he is of the opinion that it is incorrect tax law prescribes procedures to follow to dispute assessments. Apparently he did not follow the procedures.

 

[Gordon_R]

They seem to completely miss the point that this is tax debt that is due. The guy must pay it. If he is of the opinion that it is incorrect tax law prescribes procedures to follow to dispute assessments. Apparently he did not follow the procedures.

He is trying the Zupta tactic, appeals on constitutional grounds over well established legal issues, before the case has even been settled by the lower courts: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/mark-lifman-heads-to-sca-over-sars-seizure-ruling-20190612

Lifman said the appeal raised constitutional issues.

Speaking to News24 about the application, he said: "All I want is a fair hearing. What are they hiding? Their intentions/actions are not tax collection or seeing me compliant."

 

[ProfA]

Have they established that what he is being taxed for, is from legit income?

 

[seted]

Have they established that what he is being taxed for, is from legit income?

Proceeds of crime I suspect. Link.

 

[ProfA]

Proceeds of crime I suspect. Link.

Operative word being "suspect"
Point I am making is, shouldn't there be criminal investigations to first determine if the money is legit instead of just wanting their cut for tax?

 

[seted]

SARS doesn't care. It is sending a message that even feared gangsters are within SARS' reach. If you are Joe average don't even bother trying to evade your taxes.

 

[Gordon_R]

Operative word being "suspect"
Point I am making is, shouldn't there be criminal investigations to first determine if the money is legit instead of just wanting their cut for tax?

The courts have long ago decided that income is taxable, regardless of its source. That has never been in dispute, and is irrelevant to this thread.

The most notable example is Al Capone, who went to jail for tax evasion, not gangsterism and muder.

 

[akescpt]

The courts have long ago decided that income is taxable, regardless of its source. That has never been in dispute, and is irrelevant to this thread.

The most notable example is Al Capone, who went to jail for tax evasion, not gangsterism and muder.

Why don’t they pursue taxi bosses then. They must have heaps of income.

 

[ProfA]

SARS doesn't care. It is sending a message that even feared gangsters are within SARS' reach. If you are Joe average don't even bother trying to evade your taxes.

Very dangerous precedent when tax evasion is a worse criminal offense than all the offences one commits to illicity get to a R300+million tax bill.

 

[ForceFate]

Very dangerous precedent when tax evasion is a worse criminal offense than all the offences one commits to illicity get to a R300+million tax bill.

That would be a job for the Hawks.

 

[ProfA]

That would be a job for the Hawks.

OK. I will send an email so they can get right on it.

 

[ForceFate]

OK. I will send an email so they can get right on it.

Lol. How good are you with falconry?

 

[Gordon_R]

Very dangerous precedent when tax evasion is a worse criminal offense than all the offences one commits to illicity get to a R300+million tax bill.

Its all about proof, and its a lot easier to find evidence of cash flows, than who murdered someone in a gang hit. By definition extortion has an implicit threat of violence, so the victims are unlikely to report the crimes, and there are few witnesses.

The other difference is that tax involves money, where the burden of proof is much lighter than a criminal case, where someone's freedom is at stake.

 

[ProfA]

Its all about proof, and its a lot easier to find evidence of cash flows, than who murdered someone in a gang hit. By definition extortion has an implicit threat of violence, so the victims are unlikely to report the crimes, and there are few witnesses.

The other difference is that tax involves money, where the burden of proof is much lighter than a criminal case, where someone's freedom is at stake.

Fair enough. I get you.

 

[Grant]

Why don’t they pursue taxi bosses then. They must have heaps of income.

political solutions and all . . .

 

[Grant]

Lol. How good are you with falconry?

he may have a voël

a falcon may be a bit of a stretch