Radiation levels of older smartphones are incredibly high – Study

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but noooooo when little old me says it I get called a tinfoil hatter......
 
Just like Chernobyl, we will probably never know the true long-term impact of all communication devices on our health..

What I have learnt is that when money is involved, companies and government will stop at nothing to get it.
 
The_MAC said:
Just like Chernobyl, we will probably never know the true long-term impact of all communication devices on our health..

What I have learnt is that when money is involved, companies and government will stop at nothing to get it.
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Well, if you grow a third testee, you'll know.
 
So have the FCC changed the SAR limits from the release of the iPhone 8 to the iPhone XS? I mean there's basically only a years difference between them...
 
ToxicBunny said:
Depends on what you think will happen to you if you get dosed above the FCC limit....
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Fair enough, however unsafe is still unsafe.

It's like minor poison, a little sometimes probably does nothing..... but a little over extended periods of time makes anyone ill. Basically don't be stupid and keep ur phone next to ur head or in your pocket literally 24/7.
 
The_MAC said:
Just like Chernobyl, we will probably never know the true long-term impact of all communication devices on our health..

What I have learnt is that when money is involved, companies and government will stop at nothing to get it.
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Just like Chernobyl there are millions of people who do not understand basic physics.

Firstly, this is an electromagnetic spectrum with the frequency of the waves shown in Hz.

1920px-EM_spectrumrevised.png


Then there is this racist and sexist concept called the Planck–Einstein relation, which relates an energy of a photon to its frequency. It states E=hv, meaning that the higher the frequency, the more energy.

Cellphones operate at the frequency range of about 850 to 1900 MHz (10^6), which would put them on the low end of microwaves.

Visible light is in the frequency of 430–770 THz (10^12).

Keeping the flux (that is the amount of protons going through a given area, like a patch of skin) the same, the visible light coming from your phone has roughly a million times the energy than the radio it has.
Thus if you are really worried about this type of thing, you should really be living in a cave with no light.
 
I wonder how much of the hysteria around this stems from the unfortunate (but correct) use of the term "radiation" which is basically an umbrella term to describe energy transferred in wave form?

Nobody refers to light from the sun (or a lamp) or to TV/Radio broadcasts as "radiation", yet they are just that. I suspect that had radio and TV been invented AFTER the beginning of the nuclear era there would have been similar scaremongering about VHF/UHF/AM/FM broadcasts - it's just that before they started setting off atom bombs nobody really cared about "radiation" and those technologies were already so well established that it would have been obvious to everyone how silly it would be to fear them.
 
konfab said:
Just like Chernobyl there are millions of people who do not understand basic physics.

Firstly, this is an electromagnetic spectrum with the frequency of the waves shown in Hz.

1920px-EM_spectrumrevised.png


Then there is this racist and sexist concept called the Planck–Einstein relation, which relates an energy of a photon to its frequency. It states E=hv, meaning that the higher the frequency, the more energy.

Cellphones operate at the frequency range of about 850 to 1900 MHz (10^6), which would put them on the low end of microwaves.

Visible light is in the frequency of 430–770 THz (10^12).

Keeping the flux (that is the amount of protons going through a given area, like a patch of skin) the same, the visible light coming from your phone has roughly a million times the energy than the radio it has.
Thus if you are really worried about this type of thing, you should really be living in a cave with no light.
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Never said the 2 are the same, only that the long-term effect is un-measurable..
 
garp said:
I wonder how much of the hysteria around this stems from the unfortunate (but correct) use of the term "radiation" which is basically an umbrella term to describe energy transferred in wave form?

Nobody refers to light from the sun (or a lamp) or to TV/Radio broadcasts as "radiation", yet they are just that. I suspect that had radio and TV been invented AFTER the beginning of the nuclear era there would have been similar scaremongering about VHF/UHF/AM/FM broadcasts - it's just that before they started setting off atom bombs nobody really cared about "radiation" and those technologies were already so well established that it would have been obvious to everyone how silly it would be to fear them.
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Actually we are kinda worried about the Sun. The UV index (made by Canadians) says we (us, Aus and NZ) are off the chart in crazy levels of radiation. In NZ they seem to worry about it. Here, well some of us worry... :ROFL:
 
hj007 said:
Actually we are kinda worried about the Sun. The UV index (made by Canadians) says we (us, Aus and NZ) are off the chart in crazy levels of radiation. In NZ they seem to worry about it. Here, well some of us worry... :ROFL:
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In NZ they apply sunscreen when they step out, here we like to wing it.
 
rambo919 said:
but noooooo when little old me says it I get called a tinfoil hatter......
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Oh FFS. It's non-ionising radiation.

Go educate yourself;
en.wikipedia.org

Non-ionizing radiation - Wikipedia

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The sun, all light bulbs and regular old fire emit non-ionising radiation.

Go put your tinfoil on when you step outside, because that big old fireball in the sky is a lot more powerful than your pesky smartphone.

Using your logic, all light and heat require tinfoil hats.

Non-ionising radiation sources;

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rambo919 said:
Fair enough, however unsafe is still unsafe.

It's like minor poison, a little sometimes probably does nothing..... but a little over extended periods of time makes anyone ill. Basically don't be stupid and keep ur phone next to ur head or in your pocket literally 24/7.
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No... It'd non ionizing radiation ffs... It's not like poison... If you are worried about your levels of exposure to cell phones can I suggest you build yourself a lead box and never leave. You are exposed to higher levels of radiation from other sources on a permanent basis and they are deemed totally safe.
 
Interesting commentary. I'm curious why, if its safe there is still so much research being done and the FCC itself has limits? Do you think there might be a dieselgate type revelation on smartphones one day?
 
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