Rain would not exist if it wasn't for Vodacom - Telkom

Jamie McKane

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rustypup

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How about Telkom produces something of value first. Then they get to biatch.

All they're doing is biatching about how their lack of value offering is everyone else's fault.

"We did nothing with what we have and as a result we need special treatment so we can continue to do nothing with it!"
 

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Telkom has a good point here.

Rain just sits back an see the towers go live and get paid for it by Vodacom.

Telkom has to deploy each tower on their own expense. No one is building their network for them. If Telkom and Vodacom had the same agreement as Rain and Vodacom then it's very likely that Telkom would be a major player.

They simply do not have the resources to roll out like Vodacom and MTN but they are also not as bad off as they claim to be considering they can make deals with Openserve for access to their extensive fibre network.
 

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Telkom is also completely free to lower prices to compete with Rain, or to setup their own MVNO.

What? Silence?

I thought so..
 

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Telkom has a good point here.

Rain just sits back an see the towers go live and get paid for it by Vodacom.

Telkom has to deploy each tower on their own expense. No one is building their network for them. If Telkom and Vodacom had the same agreement as Rain and Vodacom then it's very likely that Telkom would be a major player.

They simply do not have the resources to roll out like Vodacom and MTN but they are also not as bad off as they claim to be considering they can make deals with Openserve for access to their extensive fibre network.
Isn't that where business strategy comes in? CellC has tried for years to build a competing network, and they ultimately failed. Now they are relying on Vodacom and MTN's network to operate on. Telkom has also been building a network for years, but also making use of MTN's network for roaming because they knew they couldn't build a big enough network. Now Rain decided to just start off with a Virtual network, probably because they also knew they couldn't build a competing network either. Why doesn't Telkom strike a deal with Vodacom to use their spectrum on Vodacom's towers? Same benefit that Rain is getting.
 

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Isn't that where business strategy comes in? CellC has tried for years to build a competing network, and they ultimately failed. Now they are relying on Vodacom and MTN's network to operate on. Telkom has also been building a network for years, but also making use of MTN's network for roaming because they knew they couldn't build a big enough network. Now Rain decided to just start off with a Virtual network, probably because they also knew they couldn't build a competing network either. Why doesn't Telkom strike a deal with Vodacom to use their spectrum on Vodacom's towers? Same benefit that Rain is getting.

That is exactly the problem. MTN and Vodacom has everyone by the *****. They know no one can compete with them. If Vodacom and MTN wants something done the cash vans move the money. Other operators do not have that advantage. So now MTN and Vodacom asks high fees to roam making sure the competition can't under cut they prices.

But hey there is another payment we accept. Give us some of your spectrum for us to "roam" on your network and we can help you build your network.

It's a game where the rules are so twisted it looks legit. No no we "roam" we don't control their spectrum.
 
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The towers aren't free for anyone. Are we saying they are?

Have you seen a Rain tower rolled out that Vodacom build? It's 100% a Vodacom tower even the same sector antennas. Vodacom even house their equipment. They broadcast Rain's PLMN id and then that sorts that out. In exchange we get the spectrum from your 2600MHz range as a "roaming" agreement.
 

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The duopoly Rain intended to disrupt became their best friends :--)

Money talks.

And they will dispute it even if it's the truth because as a CEO of the company you need to defend your company at all costs.

Look at the CEO of Tiger brands defending Enterprise by forcing polony down his own children's throats.
 

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Telkom has a good point here.

Rain just sits back an see the towers go live and get paid for it by Vodacom.

Telkom has to deploy each tower on their own expense. No one is building their network for them. If Telkom and Vodacom had the same agreement as Rain and Vodacom then it's very likely that Telkom would be a major player.

They simply do not have the resources to roll out like Vodacom and MTN but they are also not as bad off as they claim to be considering they can make deals with Openserve for access to their extensive fibre network.
Some good points, and the worst is that it's the users suffering.
 

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Where in cavedog's post did you even see this being said?
Everywhere

The claim by Telkom that they can't compete because of tower construction implies that towers are magically free for some and not others. This is completely fallacious.

Maybe this wasn't the point intended but that's the point that was raised.
 

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The claim by Telkom that they can't compete because of tower construction implies that towers are magically free for some and not others. This is completely fallacious.

Maybe this wasn't the point intended but that's the point that was raised.

You're using some circus logic there but okay go on.
 

cavedog

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WRT your point, it matters not who pays for the tower. The tower is a capital investment.

Telkom's whining doesn't change this.

Well we will have to scrutinise the the agreement they have but I'm pretty sure Rain won't own anything on the tower and will likely be bound by what ever spectrum "roaming" agreement they have made with Vodacom because if they pull the plug, they pull the plug on their whole network.
 
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