Ramaphosa needs to take action on Eskom

[Jopie Fourie]

There is no faster start to rebuilding if eskom collapses... The country will spiral and chances are it will never recover... At least not in a few generations. Think the worst of Africa and you can imagine what SA will be like for at least 20 or 30 years...

I usually disagree with MW or at least poke fun at his posts but in this regard he is 100% right...

Even if it collapses in total, the country will recover again. Just not under ANC rule.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

THIS event will also burn the whole of the motherfing COUNTRY to the ground !

preach! from your lips to god's ear!

 

[elf_lord_ZC5]

There is no faster start to rebuilding if eskom collapses... The country will spiral and chances are it will never recover... At least not in a few generations. Think the worst of Africa and you can imagine what SA will be like for at least 20 or 30 years...

I usually disagree with MW or at least poke fun at his posts but in this regard he is 100% right...

2 years to hit rock bottom or 20, the only difference is the cost, before it dies.

And die it will. Only a matter of time and circumstance.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Even if it collapses in total, the country will recover again. Just not under ANC rule.

No it won't loulou... It will be proper fscked for decades at best.

 

[Jopie Fourie]

No it won't loulou... It will be proper fscked for decades at best.

Yes, but after decades it will recover again. Just not under ANC rule.

 

[LCBXX]

Ramaphosa was put in charge by then President Zuma to fix both SAA and Eskom. He is now President Ramaphosa and both the SOE's he was put in charge of fixing are going under faster than before he was put there.

*Jazz Hands*

 

[ɹǝuuᴉM]

All of them are directly benefiting from Eskom. It would be a fallacy to think that it is only one or two cadres benefiting.

Exactly! Ramaphosa and his wife's brother have become multi-billionaires because of mining and Eskom. Only an idiot will not see that. Eskom must be kept alive even if they are going to take all your pension money!!! #LiveWithIt

 

[ɹǝuuᴉM]

So you are happier with a long prolonged ago using death of Eskom instead of a quick death, which will allow a fast start on rebuilding - nice

Please don't feed the trolley. Midnight is part of the Brigade. You should know that by now.
Eskom is kept alive so that the comrades can legally access your pension funds. Loot opportunities are decreasing. The pension fund is like Sauron. Is attracting the Orcs like a corps attracts flies.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Yes, but after decades it will recover again. Just not under ANC rule.

sure another dictator, will enjoy the pieces of the country left.
with any luck we will turn into the new Somalia.

 

[Milano]

It is no different to negotiations in '94 except we have now seen the devastating effects of ANC rule instead of merely predicting them. This time Ramaphosa is supposedly the voice of sanity instead of revolution. The 'sane' approach is to now maintain a massively bloated corrupt civil service of jobs-for-votes with the additional tens of thousands of SOE jobs-for-votes thrown in for good measure. The hole the ANC has dug for SA is so deep that there is no way to climb out. How far we have fallen while the comrades have enriched themselves.

 

[thestaggy]

This dude is nought but hot air and his party has no clue when it comes to fixing the messes they created.

 

[elf_lord_ZC5]

No it won't loulou... It will be proper fscked for decades at best.

The sooner it collapses the sooner it can get fixed. The longer it limps along, swallowing billions a year, the the more wasted it and the economy will be when it finally does expire.

A case of take the pain now, rather than later ...

Right now it is a "Fly now, Pay later" scenario.

 

[ToxicBunny]

The sooner it collapses the sooner it can get fixed. The longer it limps along, swallowing billions a year, the the more wasted it and the economy will be when it finally does expire.

A case of take the pain now, rather than later ...

Right now it is a "Fly now, Pay later" scenario.

I think you underestimate the level of pain that would come from an Eskom collapse....

 

[Jopie Fourie]

I think you underestimate the level of pain that would come from an Eskom collapse....

Not at all. The thing is, there are people willing to face the consequences to prevent an even bigger catastrophe later.

An Eskom collapse is inevitable. It cannot and will not be saved. Whether it happens soon or in our children's' lifetime, it will happen. Big question is, do we help our children while we are still here or leave them to fend for themselves when it happens.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Not at all. The thing is, there are people willing to face the consequences to prevent an even bigger catastrophe later.

Ok so please give a brief overview of the pain you think we would face if Eskom were to collapse..

 

[Jopie Fourie]

Ok so please give a brief overview of the pain you think we would face if Eskom were to collapse..

You know, as well as I do, that if Eskom collapses, the economy will come to a complete standstill. Food production and distribution will come to a temporary standstill. There will not be clean drinkable water. Businesses will scale down even more, with most closing down in total. It will be chaos initially. Those with money will stand a better chance of survival. Those without it will stand up against government with violent revolts.

Nonetheless, in order to prevent them losing power, the government is likely to make a number of changes, among which allowing private producers to start operations. It may take many decades for them to start delivering sufficient electricity, but it will be done eventually. The big question is, will there be enough companies left by then who will trust the ANC to invest here? Else, the ANC, like many other governments in Africa, will be removed violently by its own people.

 

[ToxicBunny]

You know, as well as I do, that if Eskom collapses, the economy will come to a complete standstill. Food production and distribution will come to a temporary standstill. There will not be clean drinkable water. Businesses will scale down even more, with most closing down in total. It will be chaos initially. Those with money will stand a better chance of survival. Those without it will stand up against government with violent revolts.

Nonetheless, in order to prevent them losing power, the government is likely to make a number of changes, among which allowing private producers to start operations. It may take many decades for them to start delivering sufficient electricity, but it will be done eventually. The big question is, will there be enough companies left by then who will trust the ANC to invest here? Else, the ANC, like many other governments in Africa, will be removed violently by its own people.

Yeah to some degree you have parts right but the scale and impact are nowhere near accurate.

Within a week or 2 of Eskoms collapse, fuel would run out in large parts of the country. Water would become problematic in the extreme very quickly.. distribution would halt... the economy would not come to a complete standstill, it will collapse. There will be starvation for many many people, there will be violence on an unprecedented scale...

Whatever the ANC would do after the collapse would be irrelevant since the country would descend into chaos. There will not be any large companies left, they will have been looted and destroyed by people trying to survive.

We have a violent populace in general, and an event like the power going out of an extended period of time would be catastrophic for everyone, its not something this country could claw its way out of easily, if at all.

 

[R13...]

Yes, but after decades it will recover again. Just not under ANC rule.

Chaos benefits fascists like the EFF and the Zuma factions. If it collapses they'll not allow it to recover

 

[BBSA]

The sooner Eskom crashes and burns the better for all. Only way to go forward is a clean start.

Not many of us will enjoy the fruits of the clean start.

 

[Jopie Fourie]

Yeah to some degree you have parts right but the scale and impact are nowhere near accurate.

Within a week or 2 of Eskoms collapse, fuel would run out in large parts of the country. Water would become problematic in the extreme very quickly.. distribution would halt... the economy would not come to a complete standstill, it will collapse. There will be starvation for many many people, there will be violence on an unprecedented scale...

Whatever the ANC would do after the collapse would be irrelevant since the country would descend into chaos. There will not be any large companies left, they will have been looted and destroyed by people trying to survive.

We have a violent populace in general, and an event like the power going out of an extended period of time would be catastrophic for everyone, its not something this country could claw its way out of easily, if at all.

Correct. And even your scenario could be understated. But, the big question is, do we allow this to happen now and face the consequences with our children and grandchildren, or do we leave the little fu***rs to face all of this on their own when we pass on?