Ramaphosa slammed after suggesting that prisoners should do hard labour

[lkswan747]

If they don't get paid for their labour and they don't have a choice it pretty much amounts to slavery thought, doesn't it?

No, it is not slavery! Prisoners have free accommodation, food, clot0hing courtesy of the tax payer. Why should they get something for free and the tax payer has to cough up for them?

 

[rietrot]

There are plenty of problems with hard labour for prisoners. I remember seeing something about how it's implemented in the US.

Effectively the prison negotiates the rate the inmates are billed out as, so there's room to supply very cheap labour to your friends' companies.

Then, of course, do we want to flood the market with more cheap/free labour in a country where the unemployment rate is already so high?

Yes cheap labour is exactly what we need.

 

[Johnatan56]

Yeah, like sending Malema to the gallows for making things difficult for the ANC.


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Fake evidence for an investigation, as long as you can get it through fast enough and pull the right strings, you can apply the death penalty before any inconsistencies come to light.

Person is already dead, nothing can be done about it. It's why in the US it's such an issue, you spend more verifying that it must be them than the entire cost of housing that prisoner for life. Then the entire fiasco with how you kill the prisoner, John Oliver has a very good episode on it.

 

[Johnatan56]

Yes cheap labour is exactly what we need.

Will the prisons have unions?

 

[HelterSkelter]

Let the prisoners work for everything, and tax them as well. If they do not earn enough via their work, then they do not get food etc. Just like outside.

 

[rietrot]

Will the prisons have unions?

Probably and they'll go on strike. So there goes the cheap labour and we are back were we started.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Will the prisons have unions?

Union Leaders will be shot....

 

[BTTB]

How angry must a murderer be to stab one victim 52 times?
What made him stop at no. 52?

He had no jokers?

 

[ponder]

How angry must a murderer be to stab one victim 52 times?
What made him stop at no. 52?

One for every week of the year.

 

[krycor]

The truth is this will lead to less jobs for the few hard working honest South Africans. There are very few job opportunities to begin with

There are jobs that the state has to do and requires labour.. i think i suggested this the last time this came up. Yes.. "free" labour will disrupt those positions but its also positions that arguable is not suitable/ideal for citizens.. this could be infrastructure projects such as roads in remote regions of country to clean up projects or dam building etc.

And yes.. I'm of the opinion that when you commit a capital offense such as murder etc (where non-political) you rights are reduced drastically including the removal of voting or standing for office.

Question is this means labor is paid under the minimum employment fee ? but then also self funds their housing, security, education etc so.. weird way cancels itself out and leads to less burden on state. i.e. a Prison sentence no longer is a free board and food arrangement <-- which in some places people use it as.

 

[Ockie]

OH Fck off DA!

I actually agree with Ramawarawara ..... but we all know it wont happen. Criminals run amok in this country and we live behind walls and gates and bars.....and those that do get caught get a roof over their head, meals and medical attention for fokall. That wont change. Too many bleeding hearts that will take this to the highest court and argue human rights for murderers and rapists.

 

[Johnatan56]

One for every week of the year.

Couldn't afford more microtransactions.

 

[Polly101]

in prison they don't even cook their own food, wash their own clothes or do their own dishes..

even if they just cover their own "needs" that's better than us paying inflated tenderpreneur service providers

 

[ponder]

Prisoners should do hard labour, they should pay for their damn prison stay with labour.

Unconstitutional under Ch. 2 of the Bill of Rights,

Slavery, servitude and forced labour
13. No one may be subjected to slavery, servitude or forced labour.

I wouldn't say hard labour, but labour which could possibly benefit these correctional institutions with an additional income. Make them work for their own well-being. A system like this also teaches the prisoners valuable skills which is an effort made in correcting themselves.

I speak under correction but I think they do have such programs which are voluntary.

 

[zulucat]

I actually agree with the President. Let these fvuckers earn their KEEP!!!

 

[ToxicBunny]

Unconstitutional under Ch. 2 of the Bill of Rights,





I speak under correction but I think they do have such programs which are voluntary.

Then don't call it forced labour... give them a bill, and the option of working it off, or being forced to pay it off when they are released from prison. Its a credit agreement with a flexible payment arrangement.

 

[Ockie]

Then don't call it forced labour... give them a bill, and the option of working it off, or being forced to pay it off when they are released from prison. Its a credit agreement with a flexible payment arrangement.

lol yes, because criminals have such a good credit worthiness? That is to say if they can even find a job in this country when they are released.

 

[GreatWmR]

i say make them do hard labor
repairing roads would be a good start

 

[krycor]

Then don't call it forced labour... give them a bill, and the option of working it off, or being forced to pay it off when they are released from prison. Its a credit agreement with a flexible payment arrangement.

It's their debt to society.. that they need to work off. So sentencing would specify years.. and then add something like you can chose to work for the period of time to be considered for early release or spend full time in prison with no chance of earlier release. for life sentences it can't be optional tho..

 

[zulucat]

I want to paint you a picture of just how fvucked up our justice system is...

Themba kills a father of two who is also the bread winner of a family, robbing him of his R300 cellphone. His family and kids are left in limbo... No food, clothes, shelter, school, etc because government doesn't compensate victims of crime ... Themba in the meantime, he is arrested spends the next 25 years in jail, free accommodation, electricity, water, toiletries, food, clothes, education, etc... It costs taxpayers +R350/day to keep a single inmate in prison.

Somehow, prisoners must be forced to give back to the community, every day of their incarceration must feel like hell on earth. I am not for rehabilitation nonsense, I am for deterrence!