Ramaphosa slammed after suggesting that prisoners should do hard labour

[Thor]

I support this. Right now prison life is better than life on the street. So crime will continue because if you kill someone you get a bed and food.

 

[Lupus]

For real?

It's a tiny amount, I just know someone who was in and when he came out they gave him the money, it's basically so they've got something to start with.

 

[Spliffcat]

Guillotine

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Hard, back breaking labor, with none of it outside the prisons ..... bastards deserve to pay. Ramopopo is right.

 

[Flanders]

Hard, back breaking labor, with none of it outside the prisons ..... bastards deserve to pay. Ramopopo is right.

Have them run in shifts on giant eishkom hamster wheels and regain us some capacity.

 

[ForceFate]

There are plenty of problems with hard labour for prisoners. I remember seeing something about how it's implemented in the US.

Effectively the prison negotiates the rate the inmates are billed out as, so there's room to supply very cheap labour to your friends' companies.

Then, of course, do we want to flood the market with more cheap/free labour in a country where the unemployment rate is already so high?

They can pick up litter in the outskirts of towns and cities, clean our rivers and dams, plant trees, clean beaches, etc.

 

[konfab]

Really people?

You want to praise a communist government for wanting to create work camps?

Read a book called One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich by Solzhenitsyn.

The DA are correct here.

 

[konfab]

They can pick up litter in the outskirts of towns and cities, clean our rivers and dams, plant trees, clean beaches, etc.

What do you think is easier, paying a stipend to normal people in the expanded public works program to do that job or to hire armed guards to watch over hundreds of people?

 

[ForceFate]

Will the prisons have unions?

Not union but there's SAPOHR led by Golden Miles Bhudu

 

[ForceFate]

What do you think is easier, paying a stipend to normal people in the expanded public works program to do that job or to hire armed guards to watch over hundreds of people?

It's currently not being done

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

However, I do believe the DA's stance is a bit soft. If you want to call out "unconstitutional" and "populistic" then at least provide alternatives for the argument

the argument is flawed to begin with, there's absolutely f-all point in discussing ways to solve "gender based violence", that's just more BS thrown into the mix to distract the masses, unfortunately both the ANC and DA are peddling that flavour of BS

solve violence, full stop, and if the majority happens to be "gender based" then that'll get solved too, if not then something more important gets solved and other types of violence bubbles to the top to be solved as well

 

[konfab]

It's currently not being done

Um, it is.

https://www.gov.za/about-government/government-programmes/expanded-public-works-programme

https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/new...ting-expanded-public-works-programme-25799613

 

[ForceFate]

Um, it is.

https://www.gov.za/about-government/government-programmes/expanded-public-works-programme

https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/new...ting-expanded-public-works-programme-25799613

I know about the EPWP in towns and cities. Countryside and rivers are filthy and roadsides overgrown.

 

[konfab]

Imagine not only having the injustice of being thrown in prison for a crime you didn't commit, but having to do backbreaking labour as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...he-state-man-released-after-12-years-in-jail/

South Africa is simply better off with protecting the rights of prisoners. Even if they morally deserve to be eaten alive by crows.

 

[ForceFate]

Imagine not only having the injustice of being thrown in prison for a crime you didn't commit, but having to do backbreaking labour as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...he-state-man-released-after-12-years-in-jail/

South Africa is simply better off with protecting the rights of prisoners. Even if they morally deserve to be eaten alive by crows.

Granted, but I was just adding to the discussion about the type of jobs they can do whilst incarcerated.

 

[Drifter]

How about they start by filling all the pot holes?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

What made him stop at no. 52?

Probably started cramping up....

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

If they don't get paid for their labour and they don't have a choice it pretty much amounts to slavery thought, doesn't it?

Pay them R1 per month...also they had a choice when committing the crime.

 

[Ponderer]

Imagine not only having the injustice of being thrown in prison for a crime you didn't commit, but having to do backbreaking labour as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...he-state-man-released-after-12-years-in-jail/

South Africa is simply better off with protecting the rights of prisoners. Even if they morally deserve to be eaten alive by crows.

Does incarceration not by definition violate the human rights of the incarcerated?

 

[dunkyd]

Does incarceration not by definition violate the human rights of the incarcerated?

Matches that of the murdered victim..