Ramaphosa slammed after suggesting that prisoners should do hard labour

[ToxicBunny]

so now we justify slavery as well

Of course we do... the fsckers need to justify their continued existence.

 

[saturnz]

Of course we do... the fsckers need to justify their continued existence.

uh huh...

 

[access]

I haven't expressed an opinion on slavery, I just want to confirm that what I'm seeing in this thread is people advocating for slavery and justifying it.

forced prisoners labor, is not the same as being innocently held against your will and all freedoms removed.

stop comparing criminals to innocent people.

 

[saturnz]

forced prisoners labor, is not the same as being innocently held against your will and all freedoms removed.

stop comparing criminals to innocent people.

I was not comparing criminals to innocent people.

This practice however, is slavery- whether the person is a criminal or not.

 

[Ponderer]

I was not comparing criminals to innocent people.

This practice however, is slavery- whether the person is a criminal or not.

Funny how some people have a problem with "slavery", but have no problem with incarceration.
Incarceration by definition violates the human rights of the incarcerated.
It's okay to incarcerate people, but to make them work violates their human rights.
Huh?

 

[saturnz]

Funny how some people have a problem with "slavery", but have no problem with incarceration.
Incarceration by definition violates the human rights of the incarcerated.
It's okay to incarcerate people, but to make them work violates their human rights.
Huh?

what are you on about?

 

[surface]

Of course we do... the fsckers need to justify their continued existence.

If you notice carefully, 2 defendents of slavery (as per their comic book) are laying the trap for you.

 

[ToxicBunny]

If you notice carefully, 2 defendents of slavery (as per their comic book) are laying the trap for you.

Not really caring what they're trying to do... I'm just poking fun at this point in time.

 

[Hemi300c]

My 2c
As soon as you commit a crime you lose your rights for the time in prison.

How will the masses feel if the criminals get trained and educated whilst in prison and the poor and jobless don't have that benefit?

Use prisoners to make SA a better, cleaner place with better infrastructure and with no compensation. This way the poor masses can't complain they get the jobs and pay and the masses don't.
But can we trust law enforcement, Judiciary and the prisons enough? Not under this guvment IMO.

 

[Nanfeishen]

Actually , it is economically sound.
Light prison sentencing, drug addiction, dealing etc gets you put on a prison farm, where vegetables, fruit, cattle sheep etc are handled. Animals are also used in some parts of the world to help with prisoner rehabilitation.
Medium term prisoners can be trained as labour in building, I.E. building new prisons.
The farms are used to feed those in more permanent lock-up, while excess produce can be sold to increase funding.
Less drain on the tax payer, skills aquired, food produced and funding subsidised.
Win all around.

 

[Zophos]

With all the air castles that the government is building, why can't we get the incarcerated to paint these air castles.... /sarcasm

 

[access]

I was not comparing criminals to innocent people.

This practice however, is slavery- whether the person is a criminal or not.

rubbish.

prisoners in government prisons are not kidnapped and sold and owned, they are convicted prisoners, that should be made to work towards bettering the society they damaged.

 

[saturnz]

rubbish.

prisoners in government prisons are not kidnapped and sold and owned, they are convicted prisoners, that should be made to work towards bettering the society they damaged.

I posted my reference supporting my post, feel free to provide a reference supporting your view

 

[access]

I posted my reference supporting my post, feel free to provide a reference supporting your view

holy ****. the fact that this needs to be explained to you is a bit strange to say the least. read the rest of the links if you must.

Slavery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Slavery is any system in which principles of property law are applied to people, allowing individuals to own, buy and sell other individuals, as a de jure form of property.[1] A slave is unable to withdraw unilaterally from such an arrangement and works without remuneration.

Prisoner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A prisoner (also known as an inmate or detainee) is a person who is deprived of liberty against his or her will. This can be by confinement, captivity, or by forcible restraint. The term applies particularly to serving a prison sentence in a prison

 

[saturnz]

holy ****. the fact that this needs to be explained to you is a bit strange to say the least. read the rest of the links if you must.

Slavery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Prisoner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

those references deal with the issues separately, it doesn't say slavery is not prisoners who are forced to engage in hard labour

I have a reference which says it does

incase you did not see it, I will repeat it here for clarity

Penal labor in the United States, including a form of slavery or involuntary servitude, is explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. This form of legal slavery is only allowed when used as punishment for committing a crime.

 

[dualmeister]

The solution.

 

[Ponderer]

The solution.

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Re-cycling?

 

[Sinbad]

The solution.

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All that means is when they're released on parole, they'll be able to outrun the pursuing cops by miles when they're bust repeat-offending.

 

[access]

those references deal with the issues separately, it doesn't say slavery is not prisoners who are forced to engage in hard labour

I have a reference which says it does

incase you did not see it, I will repeat it here for clarity

those references explain the difference between the two. there are similarities, they are not the same.


fundamentally, the one is punishment for committing a crime, while the other is crime because people are taken against their will then later traded as property.


what they do during this ordeal may or may not be similar to other things.

 

[MachoPants]

The prisoners couldn't be trusted out in open areas, they would escape, or more likely assisted with escape...again