Ramaphosa slammed after suggesting that prisoners should do hard labour

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Anyway, to me it's almost irrelevant whether you are for or against this. Currently, our prison system can barely control prisoners when they are locked away behind concrete and steel bars in a small, localised area.

So, I'm imagining hard labour meaning letting thousands of them them out of prison to handle picks and shovels etc. You really think the current government would be able to manage this?
 
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Splinter said:
How did I know you would post this :laugh:

Inferred my friend, from some of your posts. But, please go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and that you love them rather.
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If you ask for answer in a simple yes or no and you get reply as below

"Well that depends on what you mean by yes and it also depends on what you mean by no. This is a very complex proposition... One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertent dismissal of Jung's archetypal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnitude of Neo-Marxist existential nihilism..."

then you just move on with your life.
 
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surface said:
If you ask for answer in a simple yes or no and you get reply as below

"Well that depends on what you mean by yes and it also depends on what you mean by no. This is a very complex proposition... One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertent dismissal of Jung's archetypal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnitude of Neo-Marxist existential nihilism..."

then you just move on with your life.
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Oh, too true :)
 
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It seems the people who are quick to jump on the whole prisoners working is a form of slavery, have not actually got the opinion yet of the actual prisoners.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bozelko-prison-labor-20171020-story.html

As mentioned here, give the prisoners the option to expand their skills and training whilst in prison. and get some extra perks with it.

If you don't want to work then you should not get anything but your accommodation and your meals.
 
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saturnz said:
So once again another assertion made by you that you can't support with evidence
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Oh golly, I couldn't be bothered to try and sift through god knows how many posts to find the few that made me form this opinion.

Either agree with me or disagree; this childish thing that everything must be proven to you is rather tiresome and boring.
 
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I completely disagree with DA stance on this. Jail currently is better than some of the criminals home circumstances - they are happy to go back for food and a roof over their head.
However on the other hand how do you enforce a criminal that does not want to play ball? Do you punish him further or assault them??
My opinion is - offer some sort of incentive for the work +- remuneration with small incentive of reducing jail time by a small margin. And if the work is subpar or the criminal is uncooperative they are excluded from being allowed to part take I it.
 
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Splinter said:
Either agree with me or disagree; this childish thing that everything must be proven to you is rather tiresome and boring.
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can you post a reference that asking for proof for an assertion made is childish?
 
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Should wounded dangerous criminals (wounded by police or accidents while fleeing or battling police) get emergency medical assistance? I wonder what Ramaphosa would say about that one.

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Nanfeishen said:
Actually , it is economically sound.
Light prison sentencing, drug addiction, dealing etc gets you put on a prison farm, where vegetables, fruit, cattle sheep etc are handled. Animals are also used in some parts of the world to help with prisoner rehabilitation.
Medium term prisoners can be trained as labour in building, I.E. building new prisons.
The farms are used to feed those in more permanent lock-up, while excess produce can be sold to increase funding.
Less drain on the tax payer, skills aquired, food produced and funding subsidised.
Win all around.
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And the murderers etc?

Hmm: Chain gang. Clean up the contamination in the Vaal Dam on the deep end? Modern day Witch Test? ;)

Perhaps not really, but there are pretty shitty jobs in this area.
 
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