Ramaphosa: South Africa's rebuilt economy must be better and blacker

The Trutherizer

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Who are these people? The ones actively trying to prevent the ANC from encouraging economic growth among black people.
Or is it a Don Quixote and the windmills story?
The only thing actively keeping black people down here, that I'm aware of, is the corrupt ANC. Having wasted most of 27 years of this country's potential.
If you'd all done a good, honest job in the last 15 or so years, then the SA economy would be several times as large as it is now.
Would there still be too little for everybody?
There's more blood on your hands, and on the hands of everybody in ANC leadership, than on mine.
 

Cosmik Debris

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And in all honesty, when you call tech support, would you rather listen to a South African accent that you can understand or one that you have little clue what they are saying?

I often get calls from South Africans that have the same ability as politicians pronouncing English and can't understand them. Zimbabwean waiters speak a far superior English.

Why do they always ask, "Nyello, how are you?" instead of stating their name, company and reason for calling? I always ask if they're a doctor.
 

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They are not allowed. If they did exist they would be accused of racism. It is okay to have a black business forum, with rather exclusive membership rules but not okay for the reverse. Our glorious so-called bets constitution in the world says so.
You're supposed to be less ignorant than that.
 

Cosmik Debris

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You lived under apartheid did you see any of the development being done for the benefit of non white people?

Yes.

Under apartheid:

Mandela managed to get a lawyers degree and many other blacks like Steve Biko qualified professionally.

Ten black Universities were built during Apartheid.

The black education budget was increased by 30% every year.

65% Of black South African children were at school, compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana 52%, Tanzania 50% and Ethiopia 29%.

71% Of black adults in South Africa could read and write, compared to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.

15 new classrooms were built for blacks, every working day, every year.

The black population grew from 8 million to 27 million.

56% Of the annual budget was spent on blacks.

Black living standards rose by 5.4% per year.

Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses, 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.

There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. And more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.

Only blacks were allowed to use Baragwanath Hospital, the then biggest state of the art hospital in the world, with 3200 beds and at its peak had almost 8000 staff and 23 operation theaters.
 

TelkomUseless

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Lets be honest and its spot on, yet it must be more Black just not more corrupt. Also Black isnt just demographics but financial too. Black normally means it must be profitable and not just loss making as state owned entities.

At the end of the day it will always be the richer white vs the poorer black unless we can change that over and start lifting most of our people out of poverty. In Singapore (now pretty much the richest country in the world), they had the same issues, and look where they are today. They were in all intent and purposes bankrupt and pushing the locals more into the economy and more into moving from selling locally to mass exports and trade, will be good for everyone.

At the moment about 60% of the public is on wellfare. Imagine how much more money will be pushed into the economy if we push that down to 10% and how weathier our country will become. But for that to happen we need to invest more into schooling and entrepeneurs and the richer white businesses needs to help the poorer black businesses to grow and expand into other markets. At the end this is a win win situation. We can no longer be reliant on Gold and Diamonds but we can become the leaders in tech, servicing etc. We have lots of potential with that.

And in all honesty, when you call tech support, would you rather listen to a South African accent that you can understand or one that you have little clue what they are saying?
hmm.. you have one small missing piece.

Here you DON'T have leaders that want growth etc. They too one dimensional racist , corrupt, c*nts running the country into the ground. And their voters keep voting them in instead. SA could have been an amazing country..

Africa will Africa....
 

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Are whites only organisations allowed in SA? Just a yes or no will do.
It's a bit more nuanced than yes and no. But if you insist then yes a whites only organisation would be allowed as long as they don't refuse other race membership. You know you can join BMF, BLA, etc if to agree with their vision and mission.

It should be obvious why there are no white only forums in the same vein as the black ones. You should think about the Jewish whatevers they were formed as a response to what the Jews went through. I don't see anyone forming a Nazi organisation in response because it would be stupid. Not illegal but immature and stupid.
 

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It's a bit more nuanced than yes and no. But if you insist then yes a whites only organisation would be allowed as long as they don't refuse other race membership. You know you can join BMF, BLA, etc if to agree with their vision and mission.

It should be obvious why there are no white only forums in the same vein as the black ones. You should think about the Jewish whatevers they were formed as a response to what the Jews went through. I don't see anyone forming a Nazi organisation in response because it would be stupid. Not illegal but immature and stupid.

Would the EFF trash the offices of a white organisation?
 

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You lived under apartheid did you see any of the development being done for the benefit of non white people?
So did I. And yes, I did.

Perhaps @ForceFate would like to comment on Dennilton Hospital. Or the school there. Or the trade school that Barlow built in Motetema. Or ...

Those would also be the ones the liberation before education lot tried burning down ... and the evil police had to defend the future of resource built for black people against black people who believed justice was a diesel filled tyre and land mines.

What do you know about Babelegi?
 
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