Ramaphosa tells frustrated Soweto residents: Only the ANC can solve electricity woes

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So, everyone walked away quietly after elections and didn't bother to ask for their big suburban house? Yeaaaaah........

what?

in reality, these deluded idiots were never going to get the house. some were taken away by police for literally camping in a bush in the front yard.

or did you expect some fight or revolution to break out. hahaha.

it does not change the fact that this did happen. it was in multiple news articles.

it never happened to us at my place. i was sleeping over at a friends house in table view and some idiot came to the front door security gate and said it too, until their boxer tried to eat him through the gate.


just like every promise the anc made, this never came to fruition. like mandelas speech back then, "we will give you free fridges! we will give you free washing machines!" or the debate with de klerk, mandela said "the anc leaders will never live above the people but among them, no more gravy train, no more corruption"

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Where on the article does it tell us about madams and their maids?

You think google is going to let you find that? Anything like that has long ago been removed. But ask some whites that lived at the time and some gogo's. They will tell you.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Of course it's true! So, how many of these shacks were reserved for the madams?

Every one that had a domestic working for a white.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

yes, only the ANC can make you poorer, and you Know it.
vote for us, here is R200 rand from our Slush fund.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So, everyone walked away quietly after elections and didn't bother to ask for their big suburban house? Yeaaaaah........

Law and order was still just a phone call away those days. You guys just won't believe what the ANC told their voters. Go have a chat with your elders. Some still won't speak because they saw the horrors of the necklace for "collaborators". Are you going to tell me the necklace was also a myth?

 

[Bigjay84]

It is an easy fix : PAY FOR YOUR ELECTRICITY

 

[Goosfrabba]

Someone give Cyril a Netflix special

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Someone give Cyril a Netflix special

how to ruin a country and Retire in Dubai?

 

[R13...]

1. Liberation; - There was no liberation nor revolution in South Africa. A referendum led to a negotiated settlement that resulted in universal franchise.

What led the benevolent apartheid government and their voters to call for a referendum?

2. Oppression; - Who was the greatest oppressor when 94% of the 21 000 blacks killed during apartheid were killed mainly by the ANC? The security forces killed 516 blacks.

Is there a source for the above, I am sure I have asked you that before? You didn't supply anything then either but you keeping repeating it

 

[TheChamp]

So, everyone walked away quietly after elections and didn't bother to ask for their big suburban house? Yeaaaaah........

You should get yourself a good watering hole so that you can also have legendary stories.

 

[grok]

What led the benevolent apartheid government and their voters to call for a referendum?

Is there a source for the above, I am sure I have asked you that before? You didn't supply anything then either but you keeping repeating it

Funny how you lot won't accept a published fact, but when Cyril says they will change, this time, 100%, fo-sho you gobble it up like Cyril chipped it onto stone tablets himself.

This thread explains perfectly why democracy doesn't work in Africa.

 

[TheChamp]

Law and order was still just a phone call away those days. You guys just won't believe what the ANC told their voters. Go have a chat with your elders. Some still won't speak because they saw the horrors of the necklace for "collaborators". Are you going to tell me the necklace was also a myth?

So some random black person was allowed to camp in someone's front yard and even knock on the door informing the occupants that he likes their house while law and order was just a phone call away?

What makes a story even more legendary is the lose ends, when something just doesn't gel.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

What led the benevolent apartheid government and their voters to call for a referendum?

Beside the point. There was no liberation nor revolution.

Is there a source for the above, I am sure I have asked you that before? You didn't supply anything then either but you keeping repeating it

It's amazing that I am always asked for substantiation and supply it. Whenever I ask for substantiation, the same courtesy is never reciprocated.

I have posted this numerous times:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Cassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces of the RSA caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks (The AWB was allied with the IFP (Zulu)), but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centres, landmines on farm roads, etc.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So some random black person was allowed to camp in someone's front yard and even knock on the door informing the occupants that he likes their house while law and order was just a phone call away?

What makes a story even more legendary is the lose ends, when something just doesn't gel.

It happened in all white suburbs. Camping outside the yard and appearing to remind to occupants while the gardener and the domestic laid claim to the home and told the madam.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Sure, put me in contact if they are hiring. Wishing you to be less trustworthy and see beyond the writing on the wall, will help you in life as it seems not to come naturally to you.

My life is just fine and going great guns...thanks for being concerned.

 

[dualmeister]

Only the ANC can solve electricity woes

Did we have major electricity problems before 1994?

 

[notayoba]

So, everyone walked away quietly after elections and didn't bother to ask for their big suburban house? Yeaaaaah........

Well that and that just about every suburban home had enough guns and ammo to make a Texan blush.

Maybe it was just my area (it wasn't), but practically everyone had thousands of rounds of ammo and multiple firearms, ready for any involuntary home ownership transfers. And every neighborhood had those 1 or 2 guys that took it a bit far and packed sandbags around their houses.

 

[R13...]

Beside the point. There was no liberation nor revolution.

Very much the point, CD. People don't wake up one morning and call a referendum to end their stranglehold on power and privilege. Something prodded them to do it. That would be what we call root-cause. Something an engineer such as yourself should know.

It's amazing that I am always asked for substantiation and supply it. Whenever I ask for substantiation, the same courtesy is never reciprocated.

I have posted this numerous times:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Cassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces of the RSA caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks (The AWB was allied with the IFP (Zulu)), but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centres, landmines on farm roads, etc.

I know you are a bit of a soldier but you need to learn to see beyond what you are being spoon fed. Here's a take on the black-on-violence (from the book above):

At least 14,000 people died in the horrific spasm of violence during this period, stoked in part and in secret by Military Intelligence and other covert apartheid hit squads and third forces.

I see you added that those people were killed by the ANC. Where do you get that?

 

[ForceFate]

Every one that had a domestic working for a white.

One of my aunts did. I just asked if she knew anything of that sort. She has no idea what I'm talking about but this is just one person.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Very much the point, CD. People don't wake up one morning and call a referendum to end their stranglehold on power and privilege. Something prodded them to do it. That would be what we call root-cause. Something an engineer such as yourself should know

You're off topic. The Champ claimed there was a revolution and liberation. I proved him wrong. The reasons for power transfer are not part of the conversation.

I know you are a bit of a soldier but you need to learn to see beyond what you are being spoon fed. Here's a take on the black-on-violence (from the book above):

And you were never a soldier so how do you know how soldiers think? Do you think soldiers don't study?

I see you added that those people were killed by the ANC. Where do you get that?

518 Blacks were killed by the security forces. Who do you think killed the rest?