Rare cars on SA road

[Segg]

lekker car!

Hot starting is usually a sign that the coil pack is on its way out.

Jeeze I hope not, that would mean another expensive replacement

 

[SauRoNZA]

will you stop getting salty now.Now iam sure you dont care about my opinion but iam against all exotic brands (Porsche and Lambo mainly) having suvs.They clearly devalue and water the brand down, as they become more mainstream.The whole point for owning a porsche or Lambo is the aspiration of owning something that is rare and special.Now i understand why these car companies do it , as it a big revenue driver.Just remember your macan will be used by Porsche to help develop the next generation of special porsches.They mearly using you as a cash cow.

Porsche and Lambo are looking like they will soon be failing into the Merc / Audi level.Mass producing anything and everything.Moving forward the only real exotic brands will be Bugatti , Pagani and Koenigsegg.

Have you considered that them making and selling those cars indirectly helps them to make the others ones?

The super cars simply can’t float companies any longer, they need the SUV’s and other more sedate vehicles in their line up to support the truly crazy models.

Bugatti doesn’t count in your list. It’s literally a glorified VW that is market segregated to make itself more exotic.

Pagani and Koenigsegg need to charge the crazy money they do so that they can actually keep on going otherwise they’d sell cars at a loss.

Not to mention if I’m a Lamborghini fan (which I am) and I already own a super or hyper car...why on earth would I want to go to another marque to buy a family mover or adventure holiday car? I’d want to keep it in the family and that’s exactly why I find nothing wrong with the Urus and would love to have one.

In fact if I had the money today I would buy a Urus over the Huracán because as much as I love the latter it doesn’t fit into my present lifestyle and therefore wouldn’t make sense.

If I had enough money for both, different story.

Knowing a few people with Ferraris they all want an SUV from the Italian stallion and they are quite jealous of their mates with Porsches and Maseratis that got those alongside their 911’s etc.

 

[Rouxenator]

Warning contains motorbike

'84 BMW Paris-Dakar Penthouse

 

[Joeboy69]

With the Roush kit

 

[ForceFate]

The Family SAAB - at the top of Sir Lowery's Pass on Sunday - she does not like hot starting at the moment

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When I was younger, one of my dreams was to own a SAAB. I adored the design.

 

[pinball wizard]

With the Roush kit

Sadly, not rare, even with the 'r' sticker. Unless it's just an east rand thing.

 

[genetic]

Sadly, not rare, even with the 'r' sticker. Unless it's just an east rand thing.

Yeah, plenty 5.0 Mustangs around

 

[Joeboy69]

Yeah, plenty 5.0 Mustangs around

Plenty 5.0 in Pta, very few Roush

 

[genetic]

Plenty 5.0 in Pta, very few Roush

The Roush is exactly the same car as the 5.0 with different badges and some chip tuning, which anyone can do with a fancy OBD programmer.

 

[Neuk_]

Have you considered that them making and selling those cars indirectly helps them to make the others ones?

The super cars simply can’t float companies any longer, they need the SUV’s and other more sedate vehicles in their line up to support the truly crazy models.

Bugatti doesn’t count in your list. It’s literally a glorified VW that is market segregated to make itself more exotic.

Pagani and Koenigsegg need to charge the crazy money they do so that they can actually keep on going otherwise they’d sell cars at a loss.

Not to mention if I’m a Lamborghini fan (which I am) and I already own a super or hyper car...why on earth would I want to go to another marque to buy a family mover or adventure holiday car? I’d want to keep it in the family and that’s exactly why I find nothing wrong with the Urus and would love to have one.

In fact if I had the money today I would buy a Urus over the Huracán because as much as I love the latter it doesn’t fit into my present lifestyle and therefore wouldn’t make sense.

If I had enough money for both, different story.

Knowing a few people with Ferraris they all want an SUV from the Italian stallion and they are quite jealous of their mates with Porsches and Maseratis that got those alongside their 911’s etc.

I was going to say pretty much the same, as sad as it is, especially with the likes of Lamborghini. As much as I love them, I have never seen Porsche as a super or hyper car manufacturer like current day Bugatti, Pagani or Koenigsegg with even cars like GT2 and GT3's being more heavily track focused than simple acceleration or top speed monsters. Funnily enough, Porsche decided to build the Cayenne because many of their customers had a GT2 or GT3 track car and had an X5 or ML to tow it with.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I was going to say pretty much the same, as sad as it is, especially with the likes of Lamborghini. As much as I love them, I have never seen Porsche as a super or hyper car manufacturer like current day Bugatti, Pagani or Koenigsegg with even cars like GT2 and GT3's being more heavily track focused than simple acceleration or top speed monsters. Funnily enough, Porsche decided to build the Cayenne because many of their customers had a GT2 or GT3 track car and had an X5 or ML to tow it with.

Exactly.

Why wouldn’t you want to make more money off the people who already buy your cars happily.

Not doing so would basically be giving it away to the competition.

Literally spiting yourself.

I bet a very large proportion of those sales go to households with multiple cars from the same manufacturer instead of singular sales entities or multi brands.

 

[Neuk_]

Exactly.

Why wouldn’t you want to make more money off the people who already buy your cars happily.

Not doing so would basically be giving it away to the competition.

Literally spiting yourself.

I bet a very large proportion of those sales go to households with multiple cars from the same manufacturer instead of singular sales entities or multi brands.

I would love to see more companies like Pagani and Koenigsegg but they are impossibly difficult to start and probably harder to keep alive. Funny you mention the proportion of sales, I am not sure if the same can be said for the Chiron but the Veyron reportedly cost VAG to make and sell, they made nothing from it.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I would love to see more companies like Pagani and Koenigsegg but they are impossibly difficult to start and probably harder to keep alive. Funny you mention the proportion of sales, I am not sure if the same can be said for the Chiron but the Veyron reportedly cost VAG to make and sell, they made nothing from it.

Yeah but the Bugattis are basically their R&D project and the technology trickles down so that you find things like the DSG in a mere Polo a few years later.

Pagani and Koenigsegg can’t recoup costs in that manner.

 

[Neuk_]

Yeah but the Bugattis are basically their R&D project and the technology trickles down so that you find things like the DSG in a mere Polo a few years later.

Pagani and Koenigsegg can’t recoup costs in that manner.

DSG's were in Audi TT's and MkIV Golf's before a Bugatti but I get your point. The technology that comes out of Koenigsegg is mind blowing at times and I hope it inspires other car manufacturers.

 

[SauRoNZA]

DSG's were in Audi TT's and MkIV Golf's before a Bugatti but I get your point. The technology that comes out of Koenigsegg is mind blowing at times and I hope it inspires other car manufacturers.

I was under the impression it was originally designed for the Bugatti first but that took too long to develop and hence it launched in other cars.

But I might be talking out of my ass or based it on some conjecture article.

 

[SauRoNZA]

DSG's were in Audi TT's and MkIV Golf's before a Bugatti but I get your point. The technology that comes out of Koenigsegg is mind blowing at times and I hope it inspires other car manufacturers.

I was under the impression it was originally designed for the Bugatti first but that took too long to develop and hence it launched in other cars.

But I might be talking out of my ass or based it on some conjecture article.

I think it was first used in the Bugatti and Porsche Le Mans cars and then later adapted for road use.

 

[Chingha]

Fairly sure it was a Porsche racing technology that wasn't suitable for road use until the electronics became available to smooth things out.

 

[Chingha]

Yip, from Wikipedia

"The first actual dual-clutch transmissions were derived from Porsche in-house development for their Model 962 racing cars in the 1980s."

 

[WAslayer]

Think the Porsche reference comes from them developing the first real dual clutch gearbox for the 962 race cars..

 

[Neuk_]

I was under the impression it was originally designed for the Bugatti first but that took too long to develop and hence it launched in other cars.

But I might be talking out of my ass or based it on some conjecture article.

I think it was first used in the Bugatti and Porsche Le Mans cars and then later adapted for road use.

The first road car to have it was the 2003 MkIV Golf .:R32 and shortly thereafter the Audi TT 3.2. As has been mentioned it was developed for race cars long before it was used in a road car.