Recieved E-Toll Invoice

[Jola]

By not registering you will at least help Sanral to settle their debt much faster.

Actually not, just improve Kapsch Austria's bottom line.

 

[Nether]

Just pay it.

By not registering you will at least help Sanral to settle their debt much faster.

Their debt wont be settled, you are just paying the money for profits they want.

These tolls will stay here forever till the end of time, like all other tolls.

It was never meant to settle any debt, but you probably won't see it that way.

 

[Glingfram]

Actually not, just improve Kapsch Austria's bottom line.

Don't feed the troll

 

[Ekstasis]

Of course you did. Everyone will receive invoices.

not everyone

 

[OMGWTFLMAO]

Why Pay with no proof

In the mail I got 2 envelopes, the one has the Correspondence and Transaction Report (i.e. Some Photos, gantries passed etc)

The other one had a Tax Invoice and Account Statement.

There is a full amount to pay and a 60% discounted amount to pay before a prescribed date.

My intention was to finally pay once I got an invoice, I am having second thoughts now, I don't want to break the law.
I wont be getting an E-Tag either.

I received an email stating I had to pay an amount, no photos, no breakdown, no anything. The problem with this, I cannot claim it back from my company without proof - So, here is my adventure into SCUMLAND

Step 1. Contacted Sanral to ask for photos and breakdown. Operator on the other end said they do not store photos and cannot give a breakdown
Step 2. Contacted attorney for advice, attorney said that in any "legit" business practice you are entitled to ask for photos, proof etc that you owe that amount. So was told to delete the email as it was utter nonense.
Step 3. Sat and spent many hours calculating the trips to and from work, using the tarifs specified in gazettes, boards on the highway, class of vehicle etc. Totals dont even come close.

Now, after MANY hours, both on the phone to Scumral AND to my Lawyer AND sitting doing calculations, I refuse to give Sanral any money at all as the amount of time I have spent trying to get answers, proof, correct amounts etc has totalled more than what the email value was. So by rights, I should now in theory send them dumb c..ts an invoice for my time spent working on their fiasco of an invoice system.

 

[Ekstasis]

Well, according to the act they sent it. Whether you received it or not they are now free to continue taking actions against you. The fact that many people have started receiving invoices is a clear indication that they have sent out the invoices and that is all they need.

So, a bit of advice, if you want to save some money and not end up with debt collectors bothering you at home and work or later court cases, take the trouble in driving there or looking it up online and pay for your usage.

Despite what all people have said, the public, the DA, Outa, or JPSA, Sanral is playing well within their legal limits and they are doing it right. The only people who will get hurt at the end of the day is those who use the roads and refused to pay.

I can confirm that they will not arrest all non-payers in one day. Arrests and prosecution will be done selectively, but everyone will have their day in court and there will be little chance of getting off....

That will happen to many people regardless of them being registered (you know, getting discounts and all). Many many many people can't AFFORD these fees

 

[The_MAC]

I wonder where they are getting the addresses from?

The format which my address was written in on my invoice was exactly the same as on E-Natis, so yeah, that's where they are getting it from. I never received any sms's because the number on their database is my old number.

Also the reason why there are so many errors with regards to billing, I don't think E-Natis is any where near being squeaky clean.

 

[Fudzy]

The format which my address was written in on my invoice was exactly the same as on E-Natis, so yeah, that's where they are getting it from. I never received any sms's because the number on their database is my old number.

Also the reason why there are so many errors with regards to billing, I don't think E-Natis is any where near being squeaky clean.

I thought as much, they might be separate entities but they're owned by the same people.

 

[Kayoss]

I can confirm that they will not arrest all non-payers in one day. Arrests and prosecution will be done selectively, but everyone will have their day in court and there will be little chance of getting off....

Uhm, so you're saying that our already heavily backlogged courts will make time for a million or so more cases? I don't think so. Not in this lifetime. The best they could do is target a few high rollers, make an example of them, reprimand everyone else, and then give a 'final' extension to pay.. After that, i'm sure they'll free up some space in our insanely overcrowded jails for all us delinquents (perhaps by releasing some less important murderers)...

Government had better be careful as the majority of the e-toll users also happen to be the majority of the nation's tax payers. They wouldn't want us to realize just how powerless they are when we unite together. Might come a point in time when we finally decide to put our foot down to all their wasteful expenditure of our hard-earned money. They simply could not arrest, trial, and jail a few million people. They need us more than we need them. Without us, they have no money. And Zuma would be a sad panda if he couldn't afford to upgrade his swimming pool..

It's all about money. And whilst the majority of people decide the elections, the minority of people still hold all the power. And this e-toll fiasco stands to prove just that..

 

[House]

That will happen to many people regardless of them being registered (you know, getting discounts and all). Many many many people can't AFFORD these fees

Unable to afford food does not justify murder or robbery. The same principle applies to being unable to afford toll fees. If you cannot afford these fees, do not use the roads. Find alternatives. Don't open yourself to prosecution out of being spiteful.

 

[House]

That will happen to many people regardless of them being registered (you know, getting discounts and all). Many many many people can't AFFORD these fees

Unable to afford food does not justify murder or robbery. The same principle applies to being unable to afford toll fees. If you cannot afford these fees, do not use the roads. Find alternatives. Don't open yourself to prosecution out of being spiteful.

 

[Ekstasis]

Unable to afford food does not justify murder or robbery. The same principle applies to being unable to afford toll fees. If you cannot afford these fees, do not use the roads. Find alternatives. Don't open yourself to prosecution out of being spiteful.

what a k@k analogy House. Food is a basic human right, toll fees ( in Scumral's) case should be classified as National Rape.

 

[OMGWTFLMAO]

Unable to afford food does not justify murder or robbery. The same principle applies to being unable to afford toll fees. If you cannot afford these fees, do not use the roads. Find alternatives. Don't open yourself to prosecution out of being spiteful.

Ok, I do agree with the first portion, not being able to afford food does not justify murder or robbery, totally with you on that, but the last portion, you are speaking out of your rusty sheriff badge. If you cant afford the toll fees dont use the road find alternatives. Problem 1. I have been using these roads for years with no fees needed now all of a sudden I have to find plus minus 1000 rand extra a month to pay for this?
Problem 2. There is no IMMEDIATE alternative route for me.
Problem 3. The so called "alternate route" id have to take will a. take me near on 45 mins longer, and b. cost more in fuel.

So, dont use the roads to a job I actually happen to enjoy going to and have been going to for almost 15 years now I must change.

You are seriously on cloud 9. And so is SANRAL

 

[The_MAC]

Unable to afford food does not justify murder or robbery. The same principle applies to being unable to afford toll fees. If you cannot afford these fees, do not use the roads. Find alternatives. Don't open yourself to prosecution out of being spiteful.

I can only think of 3 reasons why someone would make such a comment:

- You either have a lot of money, use the tolls, and feel nothing for people who can't afford to pay.
- Work for Sanral and are exempt from paying.
- Don't ever need to drive on the tolled highways.

All 3 disqualify your opinion.

 

[Nether]

Unable to afford food does not justify murder or robbery. The same principle applies to being unable to afford toll fees. If you cannot afford these fees, do not use the roads. Find alternatives. Don't open yourself to prosecution out of being spiteful.

I'm sorry, where was my permission asked to privatize a national road I use to get to work?

Since I incur debt without me ever agreeing to it, do tell.

 

[Nether]

House, you are pretty sure of yourself that those people who will be prosecuted won't have access to a lawyer, and that they will most likely fight with regards to the CPA, NCA.

Can't wait for them to try to prosecute someone with a lot of money and time, gonna enjoy myself when Sanral gets their asses handed to them, why do you think they are so quite about the exact legal proceedings that will have to follow. (You know, the information the JPSA asked for?)

EDIT: On second thought, our "democracy" likes to manipulate the courts and laws in their favor.

 

[Kayoss]

Unable to afford food does not justify murder or robbery. The same principle applies to being unable to afford toll fees. If you cannot afford these fees, do not use the roads. Find alternatives. Don't open yourself to prosecution out of being spiteful.

First off, R3.36 of every litre of petrol constitutes a levy. So I think we're all paying enough already.

But perhaps you should stop being so ignorant and blindly paying whatever is asked of you. I for one am not against the concept of e-tolls. I am however against the way it has been implemented. There is no transparency whatsoever as to where our money is going. Just how much of it is going offshore? How much will actually be used on preserving our roads? And with the prescient set by our government, how much will go into their pockets? We have a right to know what we're paying for!

Furthermore, the bullying tactics, lies, and manipulation in play by SANRAL are disgusting. It isn't law to get an e-tag, but the exorbitant fees you're subjected to by not purchasing one, are simply insane.

Look, if you're happy to be bullied, manipulated, and ripped-off, then good for you. But thankfully, not all of us are cowards.

 

[House]

House, you are pretty sure of yourself that those people who will be prosecuted won't have access to a lawyer, and that they will most likely fight with regards to the CPA, NCA.

Can't wait for them to try to prosecute someone with a lot of money and time, gonna enjoy myself when Sanral gets their asses handed to them, why do you think they are so quite about the exact legal proceedings that will have to follow. (You know, the information the JPSA asked for?)

EDIT: On second thought, our "democracy" likes to manipulate the courts and laws in their favor.

I think you should not confuse yourself with lower courts and the higher courts and the aspects the JPSA, Outa and DA wants to address.

These aspects will play no role in lower courts, as they have no jurisdiction in changing the laws. These aspects, such as the NCA, CPA, etc., will need to be addressed in the High Court, Court of Appeals or even the Constitutional Court - but then again only after the criminal trial in the lower court concludes.

This will cost a person millions of Rands, and then there are still a big possibility that the higher courts will reject their application or find in favour of the law as it is.

 

[CraZee]

The letter is a Invoice and does contain photos.

House - Sanral may have sent out invoices, but this does not mean that they are playing within the law.
Just rememebr SANRAL gazetted two different price lists - the english prices and law does not correspond to the afrikaans version.
Lets see this hold up in court.

 

[Getafix]

This House fellow, I don't know.

Please, somebody shut him up.
Put something in his mouth.
I think a tampon will be the most appropriate in this instance.