Record signing for Cardiff City, vanishes together with plane

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Why would one get on that? Especially if you have options.

EDIT: I assume it didn't look like that beforehand.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-46966424

There is "no hope" of finding missing Cardiff City footballer Emiliano Sala, a search and rescue officer has said.

The Argentine striker, 28, and a pilot were on board the plane which lost contact off Alderney in the Channel Islands on Monday night.

Chief officer of Channel Islands Air Search, John Fitzgerald, said "even the most fit person" would only last a few hours in the water.

The search for the missing aircraft and its occupants resumed on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, Cardiff City chairman Mehmet Dalman said [snip]
He also confirmed the club had not booked the plane and Sala had "made his own arrangements".
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the aircraft's transponder relay its position to control towers every couple of minutes or so? Also when and where he disappeared from radar, these giving a last known location to go search at?
Its a crappy old aircraft, so none of the transponder stuff applies. AFAIK no primary radar coverage that low down (due to curvature of the earth). Anyway there was a huge storm and snow, so the last known position didn't help much.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/aaib-investigation-into-the-loss-of-aircraft-n264db

US-registered Piper PA-46-310P Malibu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-46



The first example of the initial production version flew in August 1982, and FAA certification was obtained in September 1983. Deliveries started one month later. 404 aircraft with Continental TSIO-520 engines were built before this model was replaced in production by the PA-46-350P Malibu Mirage.

The PA-46-310P is powered by a Continental TSIO-520BE engine rated at 310 hp (230 kW). The PA-46-310P has lower fuel consumption, greater range, and the ability to cruise at "lean-of-peak." The PA-46-310P has a maximum cruising range of 1,550 nautical miles (with reserves), while the PA-46-350P initially had a maximum cruising range of only 1,055 nautical miles (1,954 km), although this is now increased to 1,345 nautical miles (2,491 km).

The PA-46-310P Malibu has set several world speed records: Seattle to New York set November 23, 1987 at 259.27 mph (417 km/h); Detroit to Washington, DC set January 4, 1989 at 395.96 mph (637 km/h); and Chicago to Toronto set on January 8, 1989 at 439.13 mph (707 km/h). All three records were set by Steve Stout in his 1986 Malibu N9114B.

The Continental TSIO-520-BE powered Malibu was discontinued in 1988 following a series of incidents and accidents attributed to engine failures. One such accident resulted in a settlement in which Teledyne Continental Motors paid $32,125,000 to a pilot injured in the crash of a Malibu.
 

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This may very well be the first time this has ever happened, so I doubt that clause would be written in.

Transfer fees themselves are not always a lump sum paid up front. The deal is said to be £15m but that may only be a percentage up front and then various clauses that realise the fill value of the transfer. £10m now, £2m if he scores 'X' amount of goals, another £2m if the club doesn't get relegated, £1m if he plays in 'X' amount of games next season.
My understanding is that the deal wasn't signed off yet so Cardiff wouldn't have paid the initial fee yet. There were still a few hurdles that needed to be cleared (e.g. work permit) before the deal could be finalised.
 

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Its a crappy old aircraft, so none of the transponder stuff applies. AFAIK no primary radar coverage that low down (due to curvature of the earth). Anyway there was a huge storm and snow, so the last known position didn't help much.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/aaib-investigation-into-the-loss-of-aircraft-n264db



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-46
Ah I see.

I love old planes, my flight sims are full of pre WWI and cold war era aircraft, I prefer things analogue and manual for some reason, makes me sound like a old fart.
 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47058064

An underwater search for footballer Emiliano Sala's plane will take place after cushions were found on a beach.

They were discovered near Surtainville on France's Cotentin Peninsula, on Monday, by French authorities.

Following this, the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) has identified an area of four square nautical miles for a search.
 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47111632

Wreckage from a plane carrying Cardiff City footballer Emiliano Sala has been discovered in the English Channel.

The Piper Malibu N264DB was lost on 21 January on its way from Nantes, France to Cardiff, with the Argentine striker and pilot David Ibbotson on board.

David Mearns, who directed a privately-funded search operation on behalf of the Sala family, said the wreckage was located off Guernsey on Sunday morning.

The Air Accident Investigation Branch are at the site to recover the plane.
An online appeal had raised £324,000 for the private search, which began on Sunday.

Working jointly with the AAIB, Mr Mearns' ship and another search vessel, the Geo Ocean III, began combing a four square mile area of the channel, 24 nautical miles north of Guernsey.
The AAIB ship has remained at the site where the missing Piper plane was located, to deploy an underwater search vehicle to make a visual confirmation.

A recovery operation will then begin.
 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47118340

One body has been seen in the underwater wreckage of the plane that was carrying footballer Emiliano Sala and pilot David Ibbotson.

A search on Sunday found the Piper Malibu plane on the seabed off Guernsey, almost two weeks after it went missing.

The Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) confirmed the sighting on Monday morning.

It added it was now considering the next steps.

The "substantial amount of wreckage" of the plane, which went missing on 21 January, was found on Sunday morning after a privately-funded search began.
In a statement, the AAIB said: "The remotely operated vehicle (ROV) carried out a further search of the area overnight, but did not identify any additional pieces of wreckage.

"Tragically, in video footage from the ROV, one occupant is visible amidst the wreckage. The AAIB is now considering the next steps, in consultation with the families of the pilot and passenger, and the police."

The AAIB added it intends to publish an interim report within a month of when the accident happened.

Oceanographer and marine scientist David Mearns confirmed the wreckage had been found on Sunday, about 63m (207ft) underwater, after "a couple of hours" of searching the seabed.
Photo of outside of plane (not body) in article.
 

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This could get ugly: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47146614

French club Nantes have demanded payment from Cardiff City over the £15m transfer of Emiliano Sala, BBC Wales has learned.

Sala, along with pilot David Ibbotson, was on board the Piper Malibu N264DB which lost radar contact near Guernsey on 21 January.

The Argentine striker, 28, was Premier League club Cardiff's record signing.

Cardiff have withheld the first scheduled payment until they are satisfied with the documentation.

BBC Wales has learned the transfer fee is due to be paid in instalments over three years.

It is understood Nantes are threatening legal action if they do not receive a payment within 10 days. The BBC has attempted to speak to Nantes for comment.
 

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Body recovered from wreckage of Emiliano Sala's plane

A body has been recovered from the wreckage of the plane that crashed in the Channel with footballer Emiliano Sala and pilot David Ibbotson on board, three days after the aircraft was found.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) has not said whether the body is that of the Argentinian striker or that of the pilot, following their disappearance on 21 January.

Using remotely operated vehicles in “challenging conditions” in poor weather, the AAIB and its specialist contractors successfully recovered the body previously seen amid the wreckage following extensive visual examinations of the accident site.

“The operation was carried out in as dignified a way as possible and the families were kept informed of progress,” the AAIB said in a statement. “Unfortunately, attempts to recover the aircraft wreckage were unsuccessful before poor weather conditions forced us to return the ROV to the ship.
 

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Always thought Cardiff will be up for a percentage of the transfer fee.

In response to earlier questions in the thread regarding the death of a player, it looks like clubs do have insurance against this. If Sala was on Cardiff's books at the time of his death, they may be able to claim.
 

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Always thought Cardiff will be up for a percentage of the transfer fee.

In response to earlier questions in the thread regarding the death of a player, it looks like clubs do have insurance against this. If Sala was on Cardiff's books at the time of his death, they may be able to claim.
Thanks :)
 

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So the salvage operation as a whole has now been deemed "over" after the location of the wreckage and the recovery of one body?

I get that conditions must be incredibly tough what with the depth the plane is sitting at and couple that with adverse weather, but without the plane, then you’re just speculating. They’ll be able to rule things out and rule things in - mechanical failure, and those sorts of things.
Those are the normal processes for any crash so you would think that it is imperative that the plane is recovered.
What is the point of finding it without following through and doing the recovery?
 
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