Red Bull Mobile: Weird content services charge on bill for INTEG101

martin

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My wife signed up for a new RBM contract at the beginning of July and I've finally received my first bill from RBM only to be surprised by a very weird content services charge on it with a description that only reads INTEG101 for R4.38 a day. She's never sms'd or in any other way signed up for content services? RBM also got the name on the bill wrong but the rest of the call statement does seem accurate.

Can anyone shed some light on what INTEG101 is and how we can unsubscribe from it?
 

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My wife signed up for a new RBM contract at the beginning of July and I've finally received my first bill from RBM only to be surprised by a very weird content services charge on it with a description that only reads INTEG101 for R4.38 a day. She's never sms'd or in any other way signed up for content services? RBM also got the name on the bill wrong but the rest of the call statement does seem accurate.

Can anyone shed some light on what INTEG101 is and how we can unsubscribe from it?


I had the same problem about 2 months ago but with a different content service. I mailed support and demanded an explanation. They replied a week or so later, stating that they have removed the service, without answering my initial question of who the service provider is and what the charges were for.

I never followed up on that, I actually should have, cause I wanted to demand a refund as I have never subscribed to any such service.

Another strange thing that started about 2 months ago is sms notifications I have been receiving from GO GO MOBILE, informing me that I am subscribed to their service. I have phone them the first time it happened to tell them that I have never subscribed to them and that they must unsubscribe me, checking my bill every month I have never been charge for their services.

After thinking about it, I am wondering if it is some new kind of scam to send these messages and get the user to send the cancellation sms, and being charged for it, and they pocket the money for the cancellation sms you send.
 

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I had the same problem about 2 months ago but with a different content service. I mailed support and demanded an explanation. They replied a week or so later, stating that they have removed the service, without answering my initial question of who the service provider is and what the charges were for.

I never followed up on that, I actually should have, cause I wanted to demand a refund as I have never subscribed to any such service.

Another strange thing that started about 2 months ago is sms notifications I have been receiving from GO GO MOBILE, informing me that I am subscribed to their service. I have phone them the first time it happened to tell them that I have never subscribed to them and that they must unsubscribe me, checking my bill every month I have never been charge for their services.

After thinking about it, I am wondering if it is some new kind of scam to send these messages and get the user to send the cancellation sms, and being charged for it, and they pocket the money for the cancellation sms you send.

I was wondering the same thing. My wife also receives a lot of these SMS notifications even though she's had the number for under two months. She never gives out her number for competitions or anything similar because she despises the constant unsolicited sms's.
 

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Me thinks there is something fishy going on. I have had my cellphone number for about 10 years now. Ported from Vodacom to Red Bull in April, never had a problem before, until about month or 2 afterwards.
 

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My wife signed up for a new RBM contract at the beginning of July and I've finally received my first bill from RBM only to be surprised by a very weird content services charge on it with a description that only reads INTEG101 for R4.38 a day. She's never sms'd or in any other way signed up for content services? RBM also got the name on the bill wrong but the rest of the call statement does seem accurate.

Can anyone shed some light on what INTEG101 is and how we can unsubscribe from it?


It sounds like Integrat. They're an aggregator based in Midrand/Centurion. Thus, whoever is billing you is doing so through them.

WASPA requires reminders to be sent monthly that you are subscribed to a service, including clear indication of how to opt-out, and if you send any version of the word stop (e.g. StOp or STOp or STOP FFS!) to the opt-out number, they should stop billing you.

Call their callcenter (http://www.integrat.co.za) ... they can tell you when you started subscribing, who is billing you, and the process of getting unsubscribed, and if the company billing you was in breach of WASPA, refund you.
 

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Just went through my old invoices, the service they billed me for is listed as OPERA028 on my invoice.
 

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My wife signed up for a new RBM contract at the beginning of July and I've finally received my first bill from RBM only to be surprised by a very weird content services charge on it with a description that only reads INTEG101 for R4.38 a day. She's never sms'd or in any other way signed up for content services? RBM also got the name on the bill wrong but the rest of the call statement does seem accurate.

Can anyone shed some light on what INTEG101 is and how we can unsubscribe from it?
R4.38 A DAY! Thats R130/month. ***kit, that would piss me off!
 

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Good Day martin

Please can you PM.
I will contact you and try to assist you.

Regards
~AM~
 

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Is there no way to just say I don't want any of these stupid services ever on a particular number regardless of anything?
 

martin

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Good Day martin

Please can you PM.
I will contact you and try to assist you.

Regards
~AM~

Apologies, I haven't check the forum in the past two days. I'll write up and PM the details soon.
 

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Folks, I've sent an PM to Cell C regarding all of the below but think it only fair to share the content of the PM with the forum as well (certain personal details are omitted). I'd prefer not to start yet another thread about this but may link to this post in other RBM threads if applicable:

These weird content charges are just a part of a much larger frustration we've experienced since my wife has signed up with RBM. If you don't mind I'm going to give all the facts (not just those related to INTEG101) just so you understand the scale of our frustration.

Motorola Defy hardware problem:
- I signed my wife up for a RBM 200 contract at Cell C Centurion (the smaller store) on the 26th of June, 2011.
- She decided on the the Motorola MB525 but roughly 8 days later the speaker started making scratching noises during phone calls.
- The problems arose outside of the 7 days grace period so the phone was handed in at Cell C centurion (larger store) for repairs.
- I checked in three times in the following weeks to find out how the repairs were progressing. Cell C couldn't tell me anything on the first two occasions. On the second occasion the Cell C store manager kept on insisting that Blackberries take longer to repair and that was causing a delay. I showed him on the repair slip that this was a Motorola. I pointed it out twice. He was adamant it was a Blackberry? I left the store in frustration.
- On the third visit to the store I was once again told they had no idea what the progress on the repair of the phone was. I made a fuss in-store and five minutes later they told me the phone would be ready on Friday, 29 July.
- On Friday, 29 July my wife returned to the store to pick up her phone. She immediately noticed a large scratch on the screen and spoke to the manager - Neville - about this. He apologized and told her the phone would have to go back for repairs. He promised to phone her personally by the next Friday (5 August) with an update. The call never came.
- I finally had the time to return to the store yesterday. As soons as I showed the repair slip to Neville I noticed his shocked expression. He had clearly forgotten but blamed one of his assistants for not phoning my wife back. He frantically made some calls to the repair centre. I got the impression they hadn't done a single thing since the phone was again returned. He promised the phone would be repaired and returned by next Monday (22 August). My wife has now gone without her phone for nearly two months.

Content Service and Statement Problems
- On the Monday, 15 August we finally received out first RBM bill. This is also close to two months on?
- I checked the itemised billing that evening and notice the daily INTEG101 content service charges for R4.38 a day. I phoned RBM the next day and ask about the service. I ask the agent I'm speaking to why I'm signed up to this. She says she can see my wife uses the internet a lot on her phone so she must have signed up? My wife hates these things and only uses the internet to check facebook but the agent is adament about this. I ask them to cancel the service and give me a refund. They tell me the service can be cancelled but no refund can be given. They tell me I must phone Integrate to get a refund myself at my own expense. They give me the number to call and say I can call any time - it's open 24 hours. It's actually only open weekdays 8 - 5 as it turns out. :)
- I also ask them about the RBM statement itself. The agent I'm speaking to can't give me any answers so I ask to speak to a supervisor - Regina. After many bumbled explanation attempts I finally understand what how the billing works. She grows very impatient with me because of my repeated requests for a clearer explanation. I also ask why my name is listed as Martin ********** in one part of the statment and as Vulani Hlomane in all other parts? They can't explain this but promise to call me back within two days. This ofcourse never happens.

Integrate Problem
- I phone Integrate to try and organise a refund on the content service charges. It turns out I have to cancel the service with them as well as RBM never did this as they promised they would. Integrate cancels the service but refuses the refund. They say I signed up for the service on 23 June 2008. I explain to an agent and then a team leader - Lerato - that I only got the contract (with the brand new number) on 26 June 2011. They keep asking me who signed up for the service then? I keep explaining I wouldn't be able to tell them as my wife has only had the number for less than two months. They even confirm that nothing was charged on the account for ages and then charges were resumed on the day I got the contract for my wife. They still want to investigate before giving me a refund? They promise to phone me back the same day. It two days later and they haven't phoned me back yet.

So this has been my experience with Red Bull Mobile in the past two months. The RBM 200 offer is brilliant value for money but the service leaves a LOT to be desired. I've signed up for a RBM 200 contract myself in the meantime so this wall of text is really not an attempt to sabotage them but hopefully to prevent this situation from happening again in future.
 
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Integrate Problem
- I phone Integrate to try and organise a refund on the content service charges. It turns out I have to cancel the service with them as well as RBM never did this as they promised they would. Integrate cancels the service but refuses the refund. They say I signed up for the service on 23 June 2008. I explain to an agent and then a team leader - Lerato - that I only got the contract (with the brand new number) on 26 June 2011. They keep asking me who signed up for the service then? I keep explaining I wouldn't be able to tell them as my wife has only had the number for less than two months. They even confirm that nothing was charged on the account for ages and then charges were resumed on the day I got the contract for my wife. They still want to investigate before giving me a refund? They promise to phone me back the same day. It two days later and they haven't phoned me back yet.
Sounds like the number was recycled. So whoever had the number back in June 2008 probably signed up for the service, or maybe they didn't, and threw the SIM card away because it lost R4.38 of airtime every day. As far as I know, the network operators are supposed to notify the WASPs of numbers that get recycled so they can suspend the services on them.
 

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Sounds like the number was recycled. So whoever had the number back in June 2008 probably signed up for the service, or maybe they didn't, and threw the SIM card away because it lost R4.38 of airtime every day. As far as I know, the network operators are supposed to notify the WASPs of numbers that get recycled so they can suspend the services on them.

Yip, this is what I suspect too. Just a pity that RBM has decided it's my problem. I really feel they should shoulder the blame in cases such as these and be responsible for recouping the costs from the content service provider.
 

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Integrate Problem
- I phone Integrate to try and organise a refund on the content service charges. It turns out I have to cancel the service with them as well as RBM never did this as they promised they would. Integrate cancels the service but refuses the refund. They say I signed up for the service on 23 June 2008. I explain to an agent and then a team leader - Lerato - that I only got the contract (with the brand new number) on 26 June 2011. They keep asking me who signed up for the service then? I keep explaining I wouldn't be able to tell them as my wife has only had the number for less than two months. They even confirm that nothing was charged on the account for ages and then charges were resumed on the day I got the contract for my wife. They still want to investigate before giving me a refund? They promise to phone me back the same day. It two days later and they haven't phoned me back yet.

lol, I finally got hold of Lerato again and immediately asked her why she never phoned me back. She told she tried but I never picked up so I responded as follows: "Lerato, let's just stop the lying. You and I both know there were no missed calls or voicemails on my phone since yesterday". It was quiet on the other end for a few moments and then she replied: "Yes, okay I didn't phone you. We'll give you your refund". Just like that! Before I had even mentioned the refund! :)

At least that part is now sorted out after nearly 30 minutes worth of phones calls to Integrate. :p
 

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l"Lerato, let's just stop the lying. You and I both know there were no missed calls or voicemails on my phone since yesterday". It was quiet on the other end for a few moments and then she replied: "Yes, okay I didn't phone you. We'll give you your refund". Just like that! Before I had even mentioned the refund! :)

Great stuff.

These people still p|ss me off. For every 1 oke like you (and me) there are 10 others that don't notice/couldn't be bothered to keep phoning and chasing this until it's resolved. The 'throw the SIM away' thing is the more common approach. See if you can top that by getting some cash back...

Problem is, I've had my number for 12 years, and I'm fscked if I'll lose it due to some thieving bunch of ****s.

I managed to get the SMSes to stop. Never managed to get the ~R180 worth of fraud reversed though :mad:

Next time, I reckon a case of fraud (opened at police station) should have more effect.
 

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Great stuff.

These people still p|ss me off. For every 1 oke like you (and me) there are 10 others that don't notice/couldn't be bothered to keep phoning and chasing this until it's resolved. The 'throw the SIM away' thing is the more common approach. See if you can top that by getting some cash back...

Problem is, I've had my number for 12 years, and I'm fscked if I'll lose it due to some thieving bunch of ****s.

I managed to get the SMSes to stop. Never managed to get the ~R180 worth of fraud reversed though :mad:

Next time, I reckon a case of fraud (opened at police station) should have more effect.

I'm an optimist at heart (and RBM is thoroughly testing that statement) and thus believe that there is a basic good in all people. I blame the companies these people work for (RBM and Integrate in this case) for instilling a poor corporate culture within their employees. I don't mind going the extra mile for my customers because I know that my company's CEO and management team do it all the time.
 
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