Removing self-defence with guns in South Africa is a bad idea

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Removing self-defence with guns in South Africa is a bad idea

South Africans cannot allow the government to take away their right to self-defence, writes Marius Roodt.

The news that newly proposed firearms legislation would no longer recognise self-defence as a valid reason to own a firearm, has been met with anger, despair, and disbelief. And not only by those who own a gun.

It boggles the mind that in a country where the state is failing to perform basic functions, such as providing water or removing refuse, it now wants to take away the right of citizens to defend themselves, when the police are often failing in this duty.

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Hanno Labuschagne said:
Removing self-defence with guns in South Africa is a bad idea

South Africans cannot allow the government to take away their right to self-defence, writes Marius Roodt.

The news that newly proposed firearms legislation would no longer recognise self-defence as a valid reason to own a firearm, has been met with anger, despair, and disbelief. And not only by those who own a gun.

It boggles the mind that in a country where the state is failing to perform basic functions, such as providing water or removing refuse, it now wants to take away the right of citizens to defend themselves, when the police are often failing in this duty.

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You're incorrectly assuming that the state is failing citizens.

The past 27 years have shown that the "failures" are a deliberate strategy by the ANC government. The ongoing narrative about "failures" is pushed in order to desensitise citizens and cultivate a mindset of acceptance & tolerance, even forgiveness. This is further compounded though blame-shifting as to avoid accountability by the ANC-government.

Our president literally did this again on Monday. Hours before he spoke, his Health Minister got implicated in fraud related to the pandemic, yet the president blamed citizens and other countries for the ANC's "failures" in handeling the pandemic.
 
No skin of my nose. Home made explosives still seem to be legal.
Change my Glock for a pipe bomb.
 
LCBXX said:
You're incorrectly assuming that the state is failing citizens.

The past 27 years have shown that the "failures" are a deliberate strategy by the ANC government. The ongoing narrative about "failures" is pushed in order to desensitise citizens and cultivate a mindset of acceptance & tolerance, even forgiveness. This is further compounded though blame-shifting as to avoid accountability by the ANC-government.

Our president literally did this again on Monday. Hours before he spoke, his Health Minister got implicated in fraud related to the pandemic, yet the president blamed citizens and other countries for the ANC's "failures" in handeling the pandemic.
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Hey, who are we to complain if that is the will of the people? Democracy always deliver that, as Mugabe proved with Zimbabwe..
 
grok said:
Hey, who are we to complain if that is the will of the people? Democracy always deliver that, as Mugabe proved with Zimbabwe..
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Isn't it true that every communist regime got itself democratically elected?
 
Guns are overrated. They dont scare people enough.
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We've actually reached a point in SA where surrendering your firearm is equivalent to enabling crime. Not only are the criminals going to love knowing nobody is armed, they'll get your firearm from their local police dealer.

And don't forget, getting arrested for having a stolen firearm will likely result in a R1000 bail, which if you even bother to show up again will be a few months in prison at best given how quickly people get out now.
 
Gnome said:
We've actually reached a point in SA where surrendering your firearm is equivalent to enabling crime. Not only are the criminals going to love knowing nobody is armed, they'll get your firearm from their local police dealer.

And don't forget, getting arrested for having a stolen firearm will likely result in a R1000 bail, which if you even bother to show up again will be a few months in prison at best given how quickly people get out now.
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I felt really sad reading this. Just thinking how this is real and the defeatism of the comment. Then I realise I'm a realist and the above is probably 100% true
 
I would say that the state must legally prove that these ammendments will be in the public interest also measured against public submissions, and this would require a independent audit. Once this has been settled we can review all other bills and enactments under the same scrutiny.
 
It's laughable that this "law" is just to help them deal with the fact that most of the firearms licence applications are for self-defence. You know... The applications that are overflowing at the central firearms registry. This is a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
 
I'm all for serious rules for responsible firearm ownership.
This ploy... Is not it. This serves nobody. This is wishing the problems away.
We have pretty good firearm ownership rules already. Better than the fappery in the US for example. The problem is that there's a huge black-market industry around faking compliance with the rules.
Already the rules around the use of firearms for self-defence at home are too extreme.
They argue that there's nothing in the constitution guaranteeing the right to own firearms. The problem with that argument is that it is an accepted basic human right, world-wide, to defend yourself, with deadly violence, if you reasonably believe it is necessary. Which arguably, when 3-4 okes break into your home in the middle of the night, bearing firearms and/or knives, is the case.
They've been saying for years already that the above is untrue. That, when 3-4 okes break into your home in the middle of the night, bearing firearms and/or knives, it is likely not the case.
Which is absurd. 3-4 okes, bearing firearms and/or knives, breaking into one's home in the middle of the night - Are NOT there to swop baking recipes. What are the odds realistically speaking? 1 : 999 999 999? Close?
This should already reflect extremely poorly on them. In the eyes of the entire world. But, I suppose this is the country and world we live in now.
 
Not only do I have an issue with this one "No self defense" , I have a problem with all their kak ideas.

They also want to ban semi auto weapons entirely and you will only be allowed a few cartridges/shells.

The entire thing is kak
 
Solarion said:
Should rephrase it to "The ANC does not want WHITE PEOPLE to be able to defend themselves."
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I would rather rephrase it as, the "ANC does not want people who have something to loose to defend themselves".

When they take you to court, if you live in a township, you can skip bail no problem and I can guarantee they'll never find you again.
And since they give bail to murderers on trail, it is pretty common for them to escape in that way.
Not to mention that for a lot of criminals, their life is already so sh#t that prison or life without crime are both roughly equal (eg. live on the street vs prison).

However any person with anything to loose will have to significantly change their life (ie. never associate with anyone or anything you had before so they can't track you down) in order to escape the "justice" system.
 
Would like to know actual reasons because if it's loss of firearms I suspect the police lose more than private owners, and if no longer needed, then neither do the police need firearms...
 
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