Renault to become second carmaker to limit cars to 180km/h - report

[Baise]

Yeah, yeah.

Along with my certification in epidemiology from Bing, my well known flat earth credentials, and my foul mouth, I am also the forum's number one Renault fan.

Michael Schumacher won his second world title in a Renault powered car.
They do make phenomenal engines

 

[SauRoNZA]

Guns don't kill people.

But just like guns if you remove then from the equation deaths are vastly reduced.

It’s about results.

 

[SauRoNZA]

My old 1400 Opel Kadett Cub could go 190 on a flat stretch.

GPS speeds.

Not speedometer lies.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Michael Schumacher won his second world title in a Renault powered car.
They do make phenomenal engines

Michael's first two were in Renaults. Alonso won both his in a Renault too. Vettel won all four in Renault powered cars.
In the 22 years before the hybrid era (between 1992 and 2013), the number of constructors championships per power unit are:
12=Renault
8=Ferrari
2=Mercedes

 

[Solitude]

I'm not a racer but I'll be damned if I ever let a french car overtake me.

Don't know what car you drive but I doubt it's faster than my Megane.

 

[Solitude]

Also current front wheel drive record at the Nürburgring is held by a Megane.

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[Willie Trombone]

GPS speeds.

Not speedometer lies.

Ground speed, not GPS speed.
400kph down a mineshaft will register as 0 on a GPS
Speedo was 190-200 downhill LMAO.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Ground speed, not GPS speed.
400kph down a mineshaft will register as 0 on a GPS
Speedo was 190-200 downhill LMAO.

Too true.

But you know what I mean. Authenticated/verified and not speedo lies.

 

[pinball wizard]

But just like guns if you remove then from the equation deaths are vastly reduced.

That's a false equivalence.

The real trick is proper and continual training in the use of any large machine (car) or piece of equipment (gun).

Think about it, anyone operating say, a laminating press, the ones that make all the post-formed kitchen counters and such, will have mandatory competency ratings on a regular basis, yet we allow any old moron into a car with a test a trained ape could pass, and that's it, let the fool loose in a 2 tonne plus killing machine.

 

[SauRoNZA]

That's a false equivalence.

The real trick is proper and continual training in the use of any large machine (car) or piece of equipment (gun).

Think about it, anyone operating say, a laminating press, the ones that make all the post-formed kitchen counters and such, will have mandatory competency ratings on a regular basis, yet we allow any old moron into a car with a test a trained ape could pass, and that's it, let the fool loose in a 2 tonne plus killing machine.

It's not though, if you remove the guns all deaths related to them go away.

Same way with cars if you limit the speed all high speed collisions and related deaths automatically go away.

They physically can't happen therefore they are nullified.

It's not a false equivalence, it's just a simple truth of reality.

That being said I fully agree we need much much better driver education and I've said this for many years here and elsewhere because even with a 180km/h limit you can still kill someone quite easily doing something stupid in a 60km or 80 km/h and limiting the speed doesn't make any difference there.

Personally I feel nobody should be allowed to get into a car doing just a theoretical test. It should be a practical course you attend and once passed you are allowed to write the learner's exam and once you've gotten that you can drive on the roads (but no highways) and then you should prep for an advanced driving type course after which you can do your license test or the advanced driving course test can simply approve you as license bearing so you can then apply for the government bit.

Fact of the matter is restricting the top speed will have a net positive effect, just like taking guns away from people will do the same.

And before you assume I'm one of those tree hugging types, I'm a motorcyclist and petrol head and regularly go well beyond the restricted limit proposed because I have years of experience and have done said training and therefore know what calculated risks are involved.

Problem is the lowest common denominators can't make that risk calculation and it's those people we need to scrape off the road, so for the greater good I'm all for it being implemented especially on dinky toy every day cars that people drive simply to get from A to B.

At the end of the day it's about thinking for and catering to the lowest common denominator and those sadly aren't very bright and there are millions of them.

 

[pinball wizard]

Same way with cars if you limit the speed all high speed collisions and related deaths automatically go away.

At the end of the day it's about thinking for and catering to the lowest common denominator and those sadly aren't very bright and there are millions of them.

Yeah, but low speed collisions and the deaths from them will remain. If you think that there's a huge difference for the soft squishy human being hit at 140km/h or 120km/h, you're not living in reality.

I was doing less than 120 when I drove over someone, and I assure you, he was all kinds of dead.

However, you can train someone to operate a machine safely at many different speeds.

(Proviso: in my case, it was not a lack of training that led me to drive over a guy, but enough about that, yeah?)

Your last comment proves my point...

 

[SauRoNZA]

Yeah, but low speed collisions and the deaths from them will remain. If you think that there's a huge difference for the soft squishy human being hit at 140km/h or 120km/h, you're not living in reality.

I was doing less than 120 when I drove over someone, and I assure you, he was all kinds of dead.

The difference in squishy doesn’t change much.

The distance travelled before hitting squishy almost doubles which means double disk of someone being hit and becoming squishy in the first place.
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That is the major contributing factor and also the failure of driver education as most people asked how long/far it takes a car to stop from 120 and 180 will get the former wrong to start with and the latter by a factor of the former which is vastly incorrect.

Reduce the speed and you reduce the risk across the board WHEN an accident happens. It’s really that simple.

 

[The Voice]

For passenger vehicles I've always wondered why they'd have the need to be able to go 80+ over national speed limits. There's nowhere one can even drive that fast in public legally (Autobahn excluded of course), so why not limit them to something like 140km/h?

 

[rietrot]

Soon they limit it even more. First it was 250 then 180 next 140.

 

[FiestaST]

Mandatory Car SPEED LIMITERS Are Coming - AutoTrader

 

[nazmo]

I doubt a Kwid can even reach 180km/h with that engine and biscuit-wheel tryes...

If it does, it would probably blow over and flip due to the wind.

renault gave me a kwid loaner when my car was in for a service. struggled to get 140. not that you want to go faster in that car. did not feel safe

 

[nazmo]

dig the "renault cant go faster than 180" comments. It is mostly true, as the majority of "renaults" sold are rebranded dacia's or datsuns made in india and south america.

I *cough might have gone a bit more than 180