Report: 97 percent of scientists say man-made climate change is real

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Its ganna shortly with enough tinfoil hat specialists like Ixa :( *sigh* From creationists to this. Science never gets a break from the crackpots and politics :/

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Do you realise that earth has historically been much hotter than the present? Are you perhaps in possession of static numbers for global temperature to satisfy the demand of what you are claiming oh wise one? I mean what are the unbiased views of an IPCC insider compared to yours oh learned one.
 
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You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Do you realise that earth has historically been much hotter than the present? Are you perhaps in possession of static numbers for global temperature to satisfy the demand of what you are claiming oh wise one?

I know you are being dishonest with science. I know about the previous weather conditions as do most of the tens of thousands of climate scientists out there. Of course tinfoil hat pseudoscience specialists as yourself dont really care what the majority of the worlds scientists who involved in the research daily have to say. You who do not even understand the basic concepts of scientific method and how its applied in climate science, yet you pretend to know more than our leading scientific minds.

How lucky this forum is to have someone like you here.

Since you know so much more than most of the worlds scientists, perhaps you should take your claims to a real science forum? : http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?board=32.0 Show them your amazing "scientific" abilities.
 
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I know you are being dishonest with science. I know about the previous weather conditions as do most of the tens of thousands of climate scientists out there. Of course tinfoil hat pseudoscience specialists as yourself dont really care what the majority of the worlds scientists who involved in the research daily have to say. You who do not even understand the basic concepts of scientific method and how its applied in climate science, yet you pretend to know more than our leading scientific minds.

How lucky the gene pool is to have you in it.

Since you know so much more than most of the worlds scientists, perhaps you should take your claims to a real science forum? : http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?board=32.0 Show them your amazing "scientific" abilities.

Apparently you lack basic comprehension. Maybe less ad homs and a better attempt at reading will prevent future embarrassment:

Without a careful explanation about what it means, this drive for consensus can leave the IPCC vulnerable to outside criticism. Claims such as ‘2,500 of the world’s leading scientists have reached a consensus that human activities are having a significant influence on the climate’ are disingenuous. That particular consensus judgement, as are many others in the IPCC reports, is reached by only a few dozen experts in the specific field of detection and attribution studies; other IPCC authors are experts in other fields. But consensus- making can also lead to criticism for being too conservative, as Hansen (2007) has most visibly argued. Was the IPCC AR4 too conservative in reaching its consensus about future sea-level rise? Many glaciologists and oceanographers think they were (Kerr, 2007; Rahmstorf, 2010), leading to what Hansen attacks as ‘scientific reticence’. Solomon et al. (2008) offer a robust defence, stating that far from reaching a premature consensus, the AR4 report stated that in fact no consensus could be reached on the magnitude of the possible fast ice-sheet melt processes that some fear could lead to 1 or 2 metres of sea-level rise this century. Hence these processes were not included in the quantitative estimates.

This leads onto the question of how uncertainty more generally has been treated across the various IPCC Working Groups. As Ha-Duong et al. (2007) and Swart et al. (2009) explain, despite efforts by the IPCC leadership to introduce a consistent methodology for uncertainty communication (Moss & Schneider, 2000; Manning, 2006), it has in fact been impossible to police. Different Working Groups, familiar and comfortable with different epistemic traditions, construct and communicate uncertainty in different ways. This opens up possibilities for confusion and misunderstanding not just for policy-makers and the public, but among the experts within the IPCC itself (Risbey & Kandlikar, 2007).

For Ha-Duong et al. (2007) this diversity is an advantage: “The diverse, multi- dimensional approach to uncertainty communication used by IPCC author teams is not only legitimate, but enhances the quality of the assessment by providing information about the nature of the uncertainties” (p.10). This position reflects that of others who have thought hard about how best to construct uncertainty for policy-relevant assessments (Van der Sluijs, 2005; Van der Sluijs et al., 2005). For these authors ‘taming the uncertainty monster’ requires combining quantitative and qualitative measures of uncertainty in model-based environmental assessment: the so-called NUSAP (Numerical, Unit, Spread, Assessment, Pedigrees) System (Funtowicz & Ravetz, 1990). Webster (2009) agrees with regard to the IPCC: “Treatment of uncertainty will become more important than consensus if the IPCC is to stay relevant to the decisions that face us” (p.39). Yet Webster also argues that such diverse forms of uncertainty assessment will require much more careful explanation about how different uncertainty metrics are reached; for example the difference between frequentist and Bayesian probabilities and the necessity of expert, and therefore subjective, judgements in any assessment process (see also Hulme, 2009a; Guy & Estrada, 2010).

This suggests that more studies such as Petersen’s detailed investigation of the claim about detection and attribution in the IPCC Third Assessment Report (Petersen, 2010; see also 2000 and 2006) are to be welcomed.

Do you have the intellectual humility to understand and grasp what is being said here? See bolded text, so you see, its actually you who is the pseudo scientist by playing the numbers game when many aren't even EXPERTS in the field of research being presented. Understand? Nobody, including yourself oh learned one, has a clue as to what is normal in terms of climate behavior considering our planetary timeline.
 
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This is why you dont work with climate science... or actually any natural science, and why real scientists do ;)


Have you read this before you look more silly?: http://deepclimate.org/2010/06/15/mike-hulme-sets-lawrence-solomon-and-marcmorano-straight/ ;)

Hahahaha. Aaah yes, what a magnificent retort to the difficult questions. Umm if you bothered to read, you will see my post was from page 10 of his actual report titled: Climate Change: what do we know about the IPCC?

Dont take my word for it, take a read here : http://www.probeinternational.org/Hulme-Mahony-PiPG[1].pdf

So, tell us all, what do you see on page 10? Not only does YOUR link go on to validate what I have been saying, you have gone on to shoot yourself in the proverbial foot. From your article:

So clearly, Hulme is not criticizing the IPCC itself or touting “IPCC exaggeration”, but rather “well-meaning but uninformed commentaries” from groups such as Greenpeace that do refer to a “consensus” of 2500 scientists in support of specific IPCC statements, for example on attribution of climate change.

Even more important, though, is Hulme’s recognition that the IPCC’s “consensus” approach can lead to findings that are perceived as overly conservative by many experts in a given field. As the Progress in Physical Geography paper states:

http://deepclimate.org/2010/06/15/mike-hulme-sets-lawrence-solomon-and-marcmorano-straight/

Gee, wonder what Ive been saying all along. You really cannot read can you? Hahahaha, your failboat has docked! Yes indeed, thanks for once again illustrating your penchant for Google and surface reading, aka, pseudo science. No need to apologise oh learnerd one, we all know that the majority of your posts are nonsensical impulsive ramblings based on your hot headed nature.
 
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From that article "Solomon, who is also Executive Director of of the right-wing, anti-science group Energy Probe"

Bwahahahaha. Yeah, Solomon is well qualified to comment on climate change.

:D
 

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:p Perhaps you shouldn't be participating in an adult, English, topic if your reading comprehension skills are below the OBE level.
Seriously, just try and ignore the obvious underhanded ad hominems and baiting. no need to retort with the same nonsense.
 

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:p Perhaps you shouldn't be participating in an adult, English, topic if your reading comprehension skills are below the OBE level.

Dude, do you know what you were saying that "hulme said" was completely owned in the link I provided? http://deepclimate.org/2010/06/15/mike-hulme-sets-lawrence-solomon-and-marcmorano-straight/

Now notice this bit that you said:



But now Mike Hulme, a professor of climate change at the University of East Anglia, has set the record straight. His “correcting and clarifying” statement is unambiguous in its disavowal of Solomon’s and Morano’s misinterpretation:

I did not say the ‘IPCC misleads’ anyone – it is claims that are made by other commentators, such as the caricatured claim I offer in the paper, that have the potential to mislead.


Solomon, who is also Executive Director of of the right-wing, anti-science group Energy Probe, posted the following piece on the National Post website early last Sunday.

*kof kof*

The guy who you are quoting goes on to slam the exact article you are trying to support your wrong view with. lol.
 
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Dude, do you know what you were saying that "hulme said" was completely owned in the link I provided? http://deepclimate.org/2010/06/15/mike-hulme-sets-lawrence-solomon-and-marcmorano-straight/

Now notice this bit that you said:






*kof kof*

Cherry pick much? The guy who you are quoting goes on to slam the exact article you are trying to support your wrong view with. lol.

This is painful! My quoted text's above have nothing to do with the IPCC misleading people and everything to do with:

That particular consensus judgement, as are many others in the IPCC reports, is reached by only a few dozen experts in the specific field of detection and attribution studies; other IPCC authors are experts in other fields. But consensus- making can also lead to criticism for being too conservative, as Hansen (2007) has most visibly argued. Was the IPCC AR4 too conservative in reaching its consensus about future sea-level rise? Many glaciologists and oceanographers think they were (Kerr, 2007; Rahmstorf, 2010), leading to what Hansen attacks as ‘scientific reticence’. Solomon et al. (2008) offer a robust defence, stating that far from reaching a premature consensus, the AR4 report stated that in fact no consensus could be reached on the magnitude of the possible fast ice-sheet melt processes that some fear could lead to 1 or 2 metres of sea-level rise this century. Hence these processes were not included in the quantitative estimates.

And

This leads onto the question of how uncertainty more generally has been treated across the various IPCC Working Groups. As Ha-Duong et al. (2007) and Swart et al. (2009) explain, despite efforts by the IPCC leadership to introduce a consistent methodology for uncertainty communication (Moss & Schneider, 2000; Manning, 2006), it has in fact been impossible to police. Different Working Groups, familiar and comfortable with different epistemic traditions, construct and communicate uncertainty in different ways. This opens up possibilities for confusion and misunderstanding not just for policy-makers and the public, but among the experts within the IPCC itself (Risbey & Kandlikar, 2007).

Lets repeat this.

Different Working Groups, familiar and comfortable with different epistemic traditions, construct and communicate uncertainty in different ways. This opens up possibilities for confusion and misunderstanding not just for policy-makers and the public, but among the experts within the IPCC itself (Risbey & Kandlikar, 2007).

Lack basic comprehension much? Do you know what uncertainty in the above entails lad when projecting climate conditions? Do you :) Might you provide evidence of where the oh so unbiased author of your article goes on to discredit the academic luminary and IPCC insider based on what I have quoted above? I mean he only goes on to validate what Hulme has said with:

So clearly, Hulme is not criticizing the IPCC itself or touting “IPCC exaggeration”, but rather “well-meaning but uninformed commentaries” from groups such as Greenpeace that do refer to a “consensus” of 2500 scientists in support of specific IPCC statements, for example on attribution of climate change.

Which is validated by Hulme's actual report in which he states:

Claims such as ‘2,500 of the world’s leading scientists have reached a consensus that human activities are having a significant influence on the climate’ are disingenuous. That particular consensus judgement, as are many others in the IPCC reports, is reached by only a few dozen experts in the specific field of detection and attribution studies; other IPCC authors are experts in other fields.

In other words, having a title ending in "ologist" really does not make one an expert in the field of Climatology in terms of expert scientific consensus in the specific field of detection and attribution studies! Keep digging that hole buddy :)
 
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Get a room kids...

The facts as they are currently. Now if you don't have the IQ to grasp these facts then pls stop posting:

1. The World has been way hotter than it currently is and prob ever will be
2. Yes, humans contribute to the rate of warming no one can dispute this... ever.
3. We have now moved from Global warming (coined a few years back) to climate change (WOW, who would ever have though that the earth goes through climate cycles? /facepalm)

The question was never do we as humans contribute to this climate change... The question is: How much. The world is not going to end because it's getting a little hotter here, colder there. The global climate is moving into a hot cycle and earth has been through it before.

It's pretty simple, with or without a clear indication of how much we are contributing is there really any down side to cutting down on CO2?
If someone tells you to stop drinking water from a stale lake as eventually you will get sick, rather have this water from a mountain spring. Would you say: "No thank you this water is fine" even if you have nothing to lose just lots to gain?

Climate change is real, has been since the start of time. And will be there till the end of time, with or without humans.
 
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Get a room kids...

The facts as they are currently. Now if you don't have the IQ to grasp these facts then pls stop posting:

1. The World has been way hotter than it currently is and prob ever will be
2. Yes, humans contribute to the rate of warming no one can dispute this... ever.
3. We have now moved from Global warming (coined a few years back) to climate change (WOW, who would ever have though that the earth goes through climate cycles? /facepalm)

The question was never do we as humans contribute to this climate change... The question is: How much. The world is not going to end because it's getting a little hotter here, colder there. The global climate is moving into a hot cycle and earth has been through it before.

It's pretty simple, with or without a clear indication of how much we are contributing is there really any down side to cutting down on CO2?
If someone tells you to stop drinking water from a stale lake as eventually you will get sick, rather have this water from a mountain spring. Would you say: "No thank you this water is fine" even if you have nothing to lose just lots to gain?

Climate change is real, has been since the start of time. And will be there till the end of time, with or without humans.

Somehow I doubt that the likes of W1z4rd understand the above.
 

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Somehow I doubt that the likes of W1z4rd understand the above.
Yeah me and most of the worlds climate scientists. Stupid us. We should just listen to you. You apparently know more than people who actually work in the industry. How could I ever possibly compete with that :D

You are so smart, all the little scientists wanna grow up and be like you and know more than people who spend their lives dedicated to a research field. You know everything about their job. They can all quit their lifes work and die in peace knowing they have you to carry the world of academia on your shoulders.
 
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Yeah me and most of the worlds climate scientists. Stupid us. We should just listen to you. You apparently know more than people who actually work in the industry. How could I ever possibly compete with that :D

You are so smart, all the little scientists wanna grow up and be like you and know more than people who spend their lives dedicated to a research field. You know everything about their job. They can all quit their lifes work and die in peace knowing they have you to carry the world of academia on your shoulders.

W1z4rd,

It honestly sounds like you just want to pick a fight for some reason...

Read clearly at what was said in my post and you will find that you actually agree on all points above and so too does scientists. Nowhere have I said humans don't contribute to climate change. We might be forcing the cycle around quicker than it normally would have been. We could be increasing the maximum temp as to what it would have been innitially up and above to the normal climate change temps.

Now pls tell me in all your wisdom how this means Humans CAUSED climate change?. It would still have happened without humans we might be affecting the rate and temps but it would have been there anyway.

How difficult is that for the scientists to understand? I disagree based on this. If they where to be honest with theselves and admit we are contributing to something which happens naturally as per above then I'm pretty sure the whole world would agree...
 

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Haven't read all posts here so sorry if this has already been said (doubt it), but just some food for thought:

In my experience, when articles start talking about "consensus", it's a sure sign that they don't have enough facts and are trying to convince us by weight of numbers (and not the right kind of numbers either).
Coincidentally (yeah right), every 2nd article about climate change is about consensus, while you have to look long and hard to find proper scientific and statistical analyses.
So one has to ask oneself, why are they trying so hard to convince us that all scientists agree? Why not just publish the facts? Surely it can't be that they can't prove it...? That the whole thing's a thumbsuck?

By contrast the likes of Darwin and Einstein never worried about consensus. They just slapped down the facts and said, disprove that b-itches!

Edit: Oops, thread narco. Apologies
 
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