Restraint of trade being forced on resignation

ToxicBunny

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Agree with what rorz0r says..

They want to change the terms of your contract, they need to compensate you for it..
 

The_Unbeliever

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Regard actual legal cases rather than people's opinion.

Here are two cases being compared.

Determine where you fit into the spectrum, and think about how far the company really will go to take you to task if you go to a competitor.

http://www.bowman.co.za/News-Blog/Blog/RESTRAINT-OF-TRADE-AGREEMENTS-ATTRACT-RENEWED-FOCUS

Interesting.

So they cannot stop you from going to work for the competition, but they may have a case if you can use your knowledge of company information etc which would benefit the competition.

They cannot stop you using your skills though.

Still a minefield though.
 

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Hi momo786

There's no grounds legally to force you to sign the restraint of trade. The omission to do this at the beginning of employment is their issue to bear, not yours. Also, withholding of any amounts due to you as a direct result of your failure to sign the restraint would be unlawful.

I would respond formally by way of letter stating: (a) you refuse to sign the restraint; (b) place on record that if any amounts due to you are withheld as a result thereof, that you would regard same as being unlawful conduct, for which your rights remain reserved.
 

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Agree with what rorz0r says..

They want to change the terms of your contract, they need to compensate you for it..

The problem is not easily solved by payment of 2 years monetary compensation. It takes you out the game for 2 years, which in an environment which is ever changing (e.g. IT), would be fatal.

A direct comparison to two years compensation is not a valid one.
 

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By law, you are not obliged to tell your previous employer who you are going to work for. So if they don't know you are working for a competitor, then there is nothing they can do :whistling:
 

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By law, you are not obliged to tell your previous employer who you are going to work for. So if they don't know you are working for a competitor, then there is nothing they can do :whistling:

This is cold comfort though. If an employee was valuable enough, the company would find out where s/he is going.
 

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The problem is not easily solved by payment of 2 years monetary compensation. It takes you out the game for 2 years, which in an environment which is ever changing (e.g. IT), would be fatal.

A direct comparison to two years compensation is not a valid one.

Oh I know that, but it would usually be enough to make a company back off though, since it would be a sizeable chunk of money.
 

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In practice it is almost impossible to enforce restraint of trade. Definitely do not sign the document though as that would be crazy!
 

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You can stop someone from taking clients but you cannot deny someone the right to work. Its been proven in court all over the world so I really do disagree.
 

IzZzy

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You can stop someone from taking clients but you cannot deny someone the right to work. Its been proven in court all over the world so I really do disagree.

Really? You have much to learn. Just see the article analysis posted earlier. Here is the relevant bit:

However, in the Reddy case, the employee was held to possess information that was confidential and proprietary to his ex-employer. He had attended numerous training courses, as a result of which his skills and know-how related specifically to his ex-employer’s products and systems.


Once again the court balanced the importance of ensuring that contracts are enforced when they are freely and willingly entered into against the right of every citizen freely to choose his or her trade, occupation or profession.


It weighed up the interests of the employer and the employee, after which it made a value-judgement as to whether or not the restraint was enforceable, at the end of which it was satisfied that the contract’s restraint of trade clauses did not, in contrast to the Automotive Tooling matter, preclude the employee from using his skills and abilities. Rather, the clause in question sought to restrict the employee’s choice of new employer.


The employee was thereby restrained from taking up employment with Ericsson.


The court concluded that he was indeed in possession of trade secrets and confidential information, which, if disclosed to his new employer, could be used to the disadvantage of his old employer. The mere risk of disclosure of the relevant information justified its decision to prevent the employee’s employment with Ericsson.


The employee was required to honour the agreement he had entered into freely and voluntarily with his previous employer and, accordingly, could not work for Ericsson.

Pretty unequivocal to me.
 

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My old employer made us all sign restraint of trade. It didnt mean jack squat, lots of people went to competitors, they (old employer) even took them to court, and lost time and time again.

From my dealings with it: You can not enforce a restraint of trade, unless you actually give your employees either a once off or monthly pay off on top of your normal salary. My ex employer eventually started doing this, and even though they did offer this additional compensation, it was completely voluntary.

Basically they can not force you to be unemployed, unless they pay you for that period.
 

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Basically they can not force you to be unemployed, unless they pay you for that period.

Wrong. Payment of any amount in lieu of the restraint only assists in defeating any argument that the restrainee may have in claiming that the restraint is too onerous or overburdening. The payment of money makes it palatable. But that does not make it a legal requirement.

There are a myriad of factors which would influence the success or not of litigation, and you cannot assume that because a company was unsuccessful in one instance, all companies will be unsuccessful in all instances.
 

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From someone in practice, this is most certainly not true.
Im going with the Iz on this one, partly because he is easy to knife in battlefield and partly because he actually practices law...
 

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Im going with the Iz on this one, partly because he is easy to knife in battlefield and partly because he actually practices law...

I'm ashamed that the latter has completely destroyed any ability on my part to partake in the former :p My last login is like in January...
 

The_Unbeliever

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So, my question now is : do the company have to compensate you for signing a RoT?

What forms must the compensation take (if any)?
 

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I'm ashamed that the latter has completely destroyed any ability on my part to partake in the former :p My last login is like in January...

Dont worry dude, I stopped playing around the same time. Actually sold my whole gaming rig this week.
Brokenfield has seen the last of my money!
 

Cius

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Really? You have much to learn. Just see the article analysis posted earlier. Here is the relevant bit:

Pretty unequivocal to me.

That is such a specific case. This guy obviously was heavily involved in the design of a system and then wanted to work in the exact same field for a competitor, so yes, the company was completely in its rights to block that as obviously Siemens was trying to steal the IP with the staff member. If that guy just went to a company that needed the design side but was not a direct competitor it would have been fine. I doubt most people would fall in that category.
 

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it will cost a company alot of time and effort to take you to the various courts to enforce this.

You gotta ask yourself...are you REALLY that important to them that they will take time out of their lives and spend money that could flow back into their company to chase you around a court room ?
 

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So, my question now is : do the company have to compensate you for signing a RoT?

What forms must the compensation take (if any)?

Answered in my post above yours.

That is such a specific case. This guy obviously was heavily involved in the design of a system and then wanted to work in the exact same field for a competitor, so yes, the company was completely in its rights to block that as obviously Siemens was trying to steal the IP with the staff member. If that guy just went to a company that needed the design side but was not a direct competitor it would have been fine. I doubt most people would fall in that category.

That may be so, but it defeats your argument that "its been proven all over the world". The case demonstrates exactly why restraints are asked of people. It depends on the specific facts of the case whether it will be enforceable in the circumstances. But the onus is on the restrainee to do this, because restraints are prima facie enforceable.
 
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