Retarded ostrich extends term in office....again...and again... and again.

[jontyB]

Actually I think xtermin8or is Mbeki (he is seldom here!) Drops in occasionally and imparts his wisdom then poof gone (exactly like Mbeki.)

ROFL. I suspect JZ is well represented as well. *coughgelo*

 

[xtermin8or]

@ Iamcanadian

If you read my post carefully, you will notice that I have in no way either condoned or justified the atrocities excercised in Zim by Mugabe and his cabinet and ZANU-PF, my point was that South Africa as a single country can not take the blame for failings of it's neighbour, but that the African Union should be the one to take the lead and deal with the problem

Something I just thought of and I might be way off - is it possible that the SA govt. wants countries like Zim and DRC ( potentially very powerful ) to be unstable so as they can then be the most powerful on the continent

 

[IamCanadian]

@ Iamcanadian

If you read my post carefully, you will notice that I have in no way either condoned or justified the atrocities excercised in Zim by Mugabe and his cabinet and ZANU-PF, my point was that South Africa as a single country can not take the blame for failings of it's neighbour, but that the African Union should be the one to take the lead and deal with the problem

Then why doesn't the South African government simply apply economic sanctions against Mugarbage? It seems to me that when the shoe was on the other foot it worked well for the ANC to free the people in South Africa from tyranny and oppression.

I am sure that the people of Zimbabawe won't mind sanctions against their leaders and their country today, especially if it means that they will be able to live free from tyranny and oppression tomorrow.

Do you think things could get any worse if South Africa applied total sanctions? No, I don't think so. That being said, I think you don't want sanctions applied because you are afraid that more Zimbabweans will flood over the border to affect your life in a negative way.

And secondly, if, as you say, that South Africa is the most powerful nation on the continent, then don't you think you(South Africa) should take the lead in bringing sanctions to bear against that hated regime? Surely if they do then the rest will follow suit.

Something tells me that the ANC will not do this.

Why?

 

[Nod]

Something tells me that the ANC will not do this.

Why?

Easy. Who helped the ANC during apartheid? The ANC can't act against their buddies. That would be considered rude.

 

[jontyB]

@ Iamcanadian

If you read my post carefully, you will notice that I have in no way either condoned or justified the atrocities excercised in Zim by Mugabe and his cabinet and ZANU-PF, my point was that South Africa as a single country can not take the blame for failings of it's neighbour, but that the African Union should be the one to take the lead and deal with the problem

Something I just thought of and I might be way off - is it possible that the SA govt. wants countries like Zim and DRC ( potentially very powerful ) to be unstable so as they can then be the most powerful on the continent

You're a flip flopper. In another post you hail the great Mbeki for assisting across the continent as an excuse for his not being here. In this thread, however, you state that sorting out Zim problems is a matter for the AU? Why is the DRC not the AU's problem?

 

[IamCanadian]

You're a flip flopper. In another post you hail the great Mbeki for assisting across the continent as an excuse for his not being here. In this thread, however, you state that sorting out Zim problems is a matter for the AU? Why is the DRC not the AU's problem?

TO quote: "he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does".

Make up your mind xtermin8or.

 

[IamCanadian]

Zimbabweans Eating Pet Food!

"I feel so humiliated. I never dreamt in all my life that I would queue up to buy dog meat. I feel worthless - and what is dignity in Zimbabwe? We have all been reduced to nothing, to worthless human beings," she said. "At least when I cook the dog food or meat shavings, if I am lucky to get them at our nearby butchery, I can taste meat. It gives the vegetables a different flavour and I get the protein that has been lacking in my diet."

When will the ANC apply full economic sanctions against Mugarbage?

What happens when there is no more petfood? Cannibalism?


http://allafrica.com/stories/200612010795.html

 

[Kompete]

To simply think that SA can step in and alone resolve the zim issue, is a bit simplistic (reminds me of the acme cartoons, and the BIG RED button that supposedly solves everything...clearly many of you still believe those characters are real )

I do however agree that SA's silence on the matter is not acceptable and that some sort of action is necessary ( maybe economic sanctions, but I think its too late for that...and it didnt work with EU sanctions)

An issue like this can only be resolved by a collective like the AU. Unfortunately the AU is still in its infancy ito resources, but more importantly seems to lack the collective will to take real action (even after promted by the UN special envoy to take action) .

So what are our options? unilateral military action by SA? cutting their power?...quite frankly I dont have a clue...I think I'll stick with giving advise on the Gaming forum

 

[Leitmotif]

Economic sanctions didn't work because SA bailed him out. As long as Mad Bob can cut a deal with SA, he won't be worried about the EU.

 

[Kompete]

Yeah, and if we go the sanctions route, bob will just cut a deal with n korea, china or iran...in the end sanctions will be more about sending a message then actually hurting them economically

 

[IamCanadian]

Yeah, and if we go the sanctions route, bob will just cut a deal with n korea, china or iran...in the end sanctions will be more about sending a message then actually hurting them economically

If South Africa applies economic sanctions then Mugarbage would not get electricity and petrol. His regime would not last.

I think the real reason you are against sanctions is because you are more afraid of seeing more Zimbaweans crossing the border.

The right thing to do is to apply a full spectrum of economic sanctions against him for all his human rights abuses against the people of Zimbabwe. Mugarbage would not stand a chance. How would China or N Korea be able to supply him with electricity or petrol?

If you disagree, you are also likely on the side of Mugarbage and support his evil.

 

[xtermin8or]

You're a flip flopper. In another post you hail the great Mbeki for assisting across the continent as an excuse for his not being here. In this thread, however, you state that sorting out Zim problems is a matter for the AU? Why is the DRC not the AU's problem?

simple, my dear Jonty, South Africa is not involved in the DRC alone, but as part of the United Nations - we play a leading role, but in the main it is the UN - in Burundi and the Sudan we are part of an AU mission - once again in a leading role, but as part of the AU - Much of the work Mbeki does abroad is for the country

 

[jontyB]

simple, my dear Jonty, South Africa is not involved in the DRC alone, but as part of the United Nations - we play a leading role, but in the main it is the UN - in Burundi and the Sudan we are part of an AU mission - once again in a leading role, but as part of the AU - Much of the work Mbeki does abroad is for the country

Mbeki is needed in South Africa - has been needed here for months, but Africa is more important to him anyway. And I ain't your dear.

 

[xtermin8or]

Mbeki is needed in South Africa - has been needed here for months, but Africa is more important to him anyway. And I ain't your dear.

Just what does he have to do here, he has a cabinet and the cabinet ministers have been delegated to the work of running the country, his job is to oversee this process ( ably done by the Minister in the Office of the President, Essop Pahad ) plus if you have not noticed there is a weekly cabinet meeting which is chaired by the President, where he holds the ministers accountable - when he does travel it is for the benefit of the country - sorry, JontyB, didn't realise you are dear to no-one

 

[Kompete]

If you disagree, you are also likely on the side of Mugarbage and support his evil.

yes I disagree with you and I fully support Mugabe and his evil regime...long live Mugabe, long live Mugabe, long live Mugabe, long live Mugabe...may he kill all the infidels, especially those ex-SA stirrers that fled to Canada...down with democracy!...

Now go get a life in canada

 

[w1z4rd]

Yeah, and if we go the sanctions route, bob will just cut a deal with n korea, china or iran...in the end sanctions will be more about sending a message then actually hurting them economically

How are they going to get electricity from iran, china or n korea?

 

[IamCanadian]

yes I disagree with you and I fully support Mugabe and his evil regime...long live Mugabe, long live Mugabe, long live Mugabe, long live Mugabe...may he kill all the infidels, especially those ex-SA stirrers that fled to Canada...down with democracy!...

Now go get a life in canada

I respect your opinion.

 

[Kompete]

How are they going to get electricity from iran, china or n korea?

I dont know, maybe Hu Jintao will send Bob a big Duracell Battery