Retrenchment bloodbath – how many employees Telkom, MTN, and Cell C have let go

Shi

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Why highlight companies like MTN in the headline if their numbers are so low. They could be a result of "normal" business activities like departments merging and so forth. The low numbers are also not taken into account against any employees they might have hired in that period.
 

RustyPrincess

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Why highlight companies like MTN in the headline if their numbers are so low. They could be a result of "normal" business activities like departments merging and so forth. The low numbers are also not taken into account against any employees they might have hired in that period.

MTN numbers are a bit skewed. A lot of their technical employees were not retrenched as such, but rather transferred to their managed services partners last year for a contract period of 2 years. After which they will more than likely lose their jobs.
 

Kingofmybbknowitalls

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Drove past Telkom HQ in Centurion this morning and was amazed at the amount of cars they are able to fit in there, let alone people in the building.

Did they only retrench techies?
 

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Why highlight companies like MTN in the headline if their numbers are so low. They could be a result of "normal" business activities like departments merging and so forth. The low numbers are also not taken into account against any employees they might have hired in that period.


MTN did some big numbers in previous years (esp last year).

They also has a large 'contractor' base that they terminated or didn't renew.
Those people were released onto the market.


So looking at one year is meaningless.

Looking at in the context of how many staff the company really needs is relevant... but not in the union's interests to communicate...

Solidarity is trying to communicate that the companies are mean and nasty...
Their communication has been successful
 

Shi

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Drove past Telkom HQ in Centurion this morning and was amazed at the amount of cars they are able to fit in there, let alone people in the building.

Did they only retrench techies?

Are they not the store staff (those stores that are closing)?
 

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Some of those e.g MTN (12) and Dimension Data (4) look more like dismissals (punishments) rather than retrenchments (due to surplus workforce).
 

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Back in the day with the telkom nyse ipo (2003?) while they had close to 60000 staff a future figure of around 28000 was mentioned if I recall correctly. Many years later they're about 10k under that.

I think the majority of staff took VSPs or VERPs and not that many actually got 'fired'.
 

MickeyD

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Back in the day with the telkom nyse ipo (2003?) while they had close to 60000 staff a future figure of around 28000 was mentioned if I recall correctly. Many years later they're about 10k under that.

I think the majority of staff took VSPs or VERPs and not that many actually got 'fired'.
1991 - 67 667
1993 - 61 991
1994 - 60 172
1995 - 58 793
1996 - 55 347
1997 - 56 811
1998 - 56 480
1999 - 61 237
2000 - 49 128
2001 - 43 758
2002 - 39 444
2003 - 36 351
2004 - 32 934
2005 - 29 544
2006 - 25 575
2007 - 25 864
2008 - 24 879
2009 - 23 520
2010 - 23 247
2011 - 22 884
2012 - 20 939
2013 - 21 209
2014 - 19 197
2015 - 18 333
 

ponder

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1991 - 67 667
1993 - 61 991
1994 - 60 172
1995 - 58 793
1996 - 55 347
1997 - 56 811
1998 - 56 480
1999 - 61 237
2000 - 49 128
2001 - 43 758
2002 - 39 444
2003 - 36 351
2004 - 32 934
2005 - 29 544
2006 - 25 575
2007 - 25 864
2008 - 24 879
2009 - 23 520
2010 - 23 247
2011 - 22 884
2012 - 20 939
2013 - 21 209
2014 - 19 197
2015 - 18 333

My bad, think I got confused with the split from P&T or something like that.
 

deweyzeph

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The sooner these unions realise that a job is a privilege and not a fundamental right, the sooner our economy will get back on track. Companies need to be able to get rid of people easily, that's just the normal ebb and flow of business. In the long run making it as difficult as possible for companies to get rid of people benefits no one.
 

biometrics

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1991 - 67 667
1993 - 61 991
1994 - 60 172
1995 - 58 793
1996 - 55 347
1997 - 56 811
1998 - 56 480
1999 - 61 237
2000 - 49 128
2001 - 43 758
2002 - 39 444
2003 - 36 351
2004 - 32 934
2005 - 29 544
2006 - 25 575
2007 - 25 864
2008 - 24 879
2009 - 23 520
2010 - 23 247
2011 - 22 884
2012 - 20 939
2013 - 21 209
2014 - 19 197
2015 - 18 333

Is 1999 correct?
 

MickeyD

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Is 1999 correct?
Yes. I remember giving rpm the reasons for the increase... will dig it up later.

The decrease from 1999 to 2000 is due to Telkom's first massive staff cut - they called it "MSN: Managing Staff Numbers". The employees who left at that stage were royally screwed with minimum exit packages on offer. It was very harsh on some.
 

krycor

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Drove past Telkom HQ in Centurion this morning and was amazed at the amount of cars they are able to fit in there, let alone people in the building.

They closed down Pretoria central offices.. So the amount of people increased fast
 
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