Richard’s Bay: Parents left horrified by students’ “demonic” artworks / AKA The demonic art thread

Bryn

Doubleplusgood
Joined
Oct 29, 2010
Messages
16,894
Atheism on its own is useless. It has no positive content or beliefs. This is basic stuff. And atheists typically try to say the universe is meaningless but their brains can magically find meaning. Stupid I know, but hey, it is what it is.


Perhaps. Or maybe atheists should just STFU about other people's choices. No amount of moaning will give them meaning or change people's choices anyway.

I followed the quote train of bulls**t back a little and settled on your post (you're not a user in the convo I was tracking). This post of yours is related though and contains two elements I find more concerning.

1) A meaningless universe is in no way a bad thing. Does a mountain have a specific purpose? Does anyone care to ask? Even if this universe is an intelligent creation, who's to say it's a supernatural one? It just shifts the same question mark up a level to the origin of those beings' universe.

Humans can find purpose wherever they want and are also free to live without purpose. Aspects of your life that contribute to your sense of purpose, such as family, friends, theism, work etc., are not going to map onto everyone else. Whether or not the universe was created by happenstance or a supernatural entity is irrelevant. If a sense of purpose is what a sentient being in that universe desires, they can derive it from any combination of social bonds, conforming and/or adding to a culture, a lasting legacy, impacting the lives of others, documenting and/or sharing their experiences, being absorbed by a hobby, lifestyle or work environment, contributing to a body of knowledge, a sense of belonging etc. It's almost impossible to box in the various ways people find meaning for themselves. And there's no inherent requirement for someone's purpose to be ethical anyway.

You come across as though you'd be lost if someone else did not provide your life with purpose, and that's depressing to think about.

2) When it comes to wanting particular groups to refrain from commentary or protest, you should first consider how your particular group's actions are impacting them.

It is frequently the case that religious organisations have a tremendously negative impact on the lives of those outside those organisations. If laws, education, medical research, freedom of expression, art and culture, women's rights etc. for the general population are being impaired by the presence of individuals conforming to a particular organisation's superstitions, then surely it is the outliers whose commentary and protest deserve restriction? Whether or not members of those outlier groups are offended by their denigration is of no concern. All parties are afforded freedom of expression and may exercise their right to feel offended.
 

SAguy

Honorary Master
Joined
Nov 4, 2013
Messages
10,636
[


Christians still pissing their pants over high school artwork :ROFL: :ROFL:

When they going to realize that all religion is a big money making scam? :ROFL::ROFL:
That's a bit of a stretch, there are people pastors/ministers who live simple lives - many who had different good jobs before giving it up to preach.
 

surface

Honorary Master
Joined
Oct 23, 2006
Messages
26,679
That's a bit of a stretch, there are people pastors/ministers who live simple lives - many who had different good jobs before giving it up to preach.
There are some scientists that believe in flat earth - did you know that?
 

SAguy

Honorary Master
Joined
Nov 4, 2013
Messages
10,636
Exceptions.
Yip, so it would be incorrect to say all scientists say the earth is round. Just like it's incorrect to say all religions are a money making scheme. All implies that there are no exceptions.
 

daveza

Honorary Master
Joined
Apr 5, 2004
Messages
47,681
Kinda like ALL those taking on the behaviour of Anderson here are atheists....
 

rambo919

Honorary Master
Joined
Jul 30, 2008
Messages
23,178
This thread seems to have devolved into a bunch of pot smokers debating with ghosts....
 

LCBXX

Honorary Master
Joined
Apr 11, 2006
Messages
19,424
This thread seems to have devolved into a bunch of pot smokers debating with ghosts....
All because someone thinking that they're an activist posted a video of a school-students drawings. Amazing.
 

rambo919

Honorary Master
Joined
Jul 30, 2008
Messages
23,178
All because someone thinking that they're an activist posted a video of a school-students drawings. Amazing.
I'm more concerned with any and everything being considered great art as long as you agree with it..... no matter how bad or tasteless it is..... and how that draws out people that think they are activists but they refuse to actually admit what they are activating for and down goes the rabbit holes.....
 

Ninja'd

A Djinn
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
50,213
This thread seems to have devolved into a bunch of pot smokers debating with ghosts....

09720128cff5de4d4af038cd3fcf7f69.jpg
 

Grant

Honorary Master
Joined
Mar 27, 2007
Messages
60,677
I'm more concerned with any and everything being considered great art as long as you agree with it..... no matter how bad or tasteless it is..... and how that draws out people that think they are activists but they refuse to actually admit what they are activating for and down goes the rabbit holes.....
you misunderstand art
some is for aesthetic purpose, some for entertainment, and some is intentionally controversial in order to provoke thought and debate.
 

rambo919

Honorary Master
Joined
Jul 30, 2008
Messages
23,178
you misunderstand art
some is for aesthetic purpose, some for entertainment, and some is intentionally controversial in order to provoke thought and debate.

Real art draws people to it, it does not repel. It has an objective transcendent beauty that can be interpreted subjectively but the fact that it is beautiful is objective.... This goes beyond mere aesthetic, there are a lot of aesthetic wastes of energy.

If you have to extra actually take effort to understand it's value you have to do with a mere soulless imitation by a talentless, pretentious fool and the rest of us are forced to be subjected to his/her ego.

And of course "art as entertainment" is the mark of those of lower intellect that are content with ultra low standards but lets leave rap, boeremusiek and pop out of this.
 

Jabulani22

Executive Member
Joined
Feb 11, 2017
Messages
5,277
Jabulani, rambo and techne.
Yeah , id retract yourstatement if i were you , because its lies regarding me , an interest in accuracy in history doesnt constitute a holocaust denier.
Or shall i pick some name to call you in order to subvert your points ?
edit , your naming of people while not linking it to them to be able to track is also very telling of how the truth works in your world .
 

Herr der Verboten

Honorary Master
Joined
Feb 14, 2012
Messages
22,554
Real art draws people to it, it does not repel. It has an objective transcendent beauty that can be interpreted subjectively but the fact that it is beautiful is objective.... This goes beyond mere aesthetic, there are a lot of aesthetic wastes of energy.

If you have to extra actually take effort to understand it's value you have to do with a mere soulless imitation by a talentless, pretentious fool and the rest of us are forced to be subjected to his/her ego.

And of course "art as entertainment" is the mark of those of lower intellect that are content with ultra low standards but lets leave rap, boeremusiek and pop out of this.
Real art for real christians
 
Top