Richard’s Bay: Parents left horrified by students’ “demonic” artworks / AKA The demonic art thread

[TysonRoux]

Real art draws people to it, it does not repel. It has an objective transcendent beauty that can be interpreted subjectively but the fact that it is beautiful is objective.... This goes beyond mere aesthetic, there are a lot of aesthetic wastes of energy.

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Doubt Zupta was drawn to any of Ayanda Mabulu's art.

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[GreGorGy]

Like this van Eyck?

Jan van Eyck was something else. While his relatively sterile Arnolfini contract is just so brilliant for it's detail, the Last Judgement (part of which you have featured here) is in a diptych with the crucifixion. Some speculate it was actually a triptych (one of my hangman killer words). The full pic (in diptych) is here https://www.artsy.net/artwork/jan-van-eyck-the-crucifixion-the-last-judgment

And to be fair, that was 580 years ago I think.

 

[buka001]

Yeah , id retract yourstatement if i were you , because its lies regarding me , an interest in accuracy in history doesnt constitute a holocaust denier.
Or shall i pick some name to call you in order to subvert your points ?
edit , your naming of people while not linking it to them to be able to track is also very telling of how the truth works in your world .

You have said enough and ignored several points I have raised regarding your false claim that "No one is allowed to research it". A claim, that only Holocaust deniers use.

Tell me, what do you think the death toll is?

 

[Jabulani22]

You have said enough and ignored several points I have raised regarding your false claim that "No one is allowed to research it". A claim, that only Holocaust deniers use.

Tell me, what do you think the death toll is?

It is impolite to carry your personal crusade against people across threads and call them into disrepute simply for diagreeing with your views on ANY subject , our opinions differ , you lack reading comprehension to find my valid responses to your points .
Get over it and stop being a liar.

 

[buka001]

It is impolite to carry your personal crusade against people across threads and call them into disrepute simply for diagreeing with your views on ANY subject , our opinions differ , you lack reading comprehension to find my valid responses to your points .
Get over it and stop being a liar.

What do you think the death toll is?

 

[Jabulani22]

What do you think the death toll is?

Go away you antisemite who does not want fair and accurate investigation of one of history's worst genocides , it is appaling that you would let people not know how many died , it is a disservice to ALL victims.

 

[buka001]

Go away you antisemite who does not want fair and accurate investigation of one of history's worst genocides , it is appaling that you would let people not know how many died , it is a disservice to ALL victims.

Lol, keep projecting. There are hundreds of legitimate organisations, schools at universities, historians and museums that have fair and accurate investigations. They have troves and troves of firsthand accounts and source information that have assisted them to develop a reasonable estimation of the death toll.

Anyone at anytime can do such a study and access this information and evaluate the evidence.

So tell me again, what do you think the death toll is, based on your analysis of the subject?

 

[Jabulani22]

Lol, keep projecting. There are hundreds of legitimate organisations, schools at universities, historians and museums that have fair and accurate investigations. They have troves and troves of firsthand accounts and source information that have assisted them to develop a reasonable estimation of the death toll.

Anyone at anytime can do such a study and access this information and evaluate the evidence.

So tell me again, what do you think the death toll is, based on your analysis of the subject?

Please stop derailing threads with your selfish antisemitic agenda to stifle research by simply rejecting facts available to you by google .

 

[buka001]

Please stop derailing threads with your selfish antisemitic agenda to stifle research by simply rejecting facts available to you by google .

What research am I stifling? You can go to Wits and research this. They have a Holocaust studies centre there. Plenty of people to answer your questions.

Like I have old you. I have been to several of the camps, museums and so on.

Where you claim that the chimneys were not connected, I have seen with my own eyes that they were.

I have seen the blueprints, despite your claims that the crematorium would not work.

You can answer your questions quite easily.

 

[Jabulani22]

What research am I stifling? You can go to Wits and research this. They have a Holocaust studies centre there. Plenty of people to answer your questions.

Once again please stop following me from thread to thread derailing and trying to call my character into question , go ask this in the thread it belongs in , nobody needs your blatant disregard for human suffering in every thread i post in .

 

[daveza]

Time to get a room ?

 

[Lucas Buck]

With a view of the paintings in the sistine chapel.

 

[noxibox]

Real art draws people to it, it does not repel. It has an objective transcendent beauty that can be interpreted subjectively but the fact that it is beautiful is objective....

Good, please point us to the tools that can be used to objectively measure beauty.

And of course "art as entertainment" is the mark of those of lower intellect that are content with ultra low standards but lets leave rap, boeremusiek and pop out of this.

Well I guess once we all have those objective measurement tools on hand we'll easily be able to filter out these things that aren't art. Looking forward to testing them out.

If you have to extra actually take effort to understand it's value you have to do with a mere soulless imitation by a talentless, pretentious fool and the rest of us are forced to be subjected to his/her ego.

That sounds a lot like religious tomes. But then it would take an incredibly inflated ego to think one has some sort of direct line to the gods. The remarkable arrogance it must take.

This thread seems to have devolved into a bunch of pot smokers debating with ghosts....

All the religious people are pot smokers?

 

[SAguy]

All the religious people are pot smokers?

Well I am both - so...

 

[ponder]

What research am I stifling?

You're sparring with a vile pidgeon, watch yourself.

 

[Jabulani22]

You're sparring with a vile pidgeon, watch yourself.

LOL im guessing you have been offended by my opinions too , hang in there bud.

 

[MachoPants]

I dont see demonic satanism, macabre probably.

 

[MachoPants]

Well I am both - so...

Sharing is caring they say

 

[ponder]

Prof Jansen slams 'fake outrage' over 'demonic' art project at Curro school

Grantleigh School in KwaZulu-Natal is conducting an internal probe after Christian parents complained about an art exhibition.

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[Techne]

At least I am real your ambassador is in your head

Hahaha, THAT is all in your deluded boof head

Like these works of art that have a different meaning for everyone or have no meaning for some. How stupid these people must be to magically find different a meaning in the paintings.

The actual stupidity is people claiming the universe is meaningless and THEN claim people can create their own meaning. Little stupid narcissists thinking their brains can create something from nothing.

Pfft , utter rubbish
It is only from the rejection of orthodoxy that change occurs.
All our progress , inovation , art, culture, scientific knowledge and understanding of the universe came about through the rejection of the orthodox view of religion about the origins of life and the universe.
The lack of belief in orthodoxy has been the greatest positive influence in the history of the human race.

Sorry, but atheism itself is useless. It has no positive content or beliefs. It really is not that hard to understand.

When did you leave the philosophical thread? But as many have reminded you already Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god / gods. Thats it!

Exactly. Not that difficult to understand see. That is all it is. Nothing else. No positive content or beliefs.

. . . and I don't recall atheists claiming the universe is meaningless. Still making up your own crap I see.

They are totally stupid if they do claim that right?

I followed the quote train of bulls**t back a little and settled on your post (you're not a user in the convo I was tracking). This post of yours is related though and contains two elements I find more concerning.

1) A meaningless universe is in no way a bad thing. Does a mountain have a specific purpose? Does anyone care to ask? Even if this universe is an intelligent creation, who's to say it's a supernatural one? It just shifts the same question mark up a level to the origin of those beings' universe.

Humans can find purpose wherever they want and are also free to live without purpose. Aspects of your life that contribute to your sense of purpose, such as family, friends, theism, work etc., are not going to map onto everyone else. Whether or not the universe was created by happenstance or a supernatural entity is irrelevant. If a sense of purpose is what a sentient being in that universe desires, they can derive it from any combination of social bonds, conforming and/or adding to a culture, a lasting legacy, impacting the lives of others, documenting and/or sharing their experiences, being absorbed by a hobby, lifestyle or work environment, contributing to a body of knowledge, a sense of belonging etc. It's almost impossible to box in the various ways people find meaning for themselves. And there's no inherent requirement for someone's purpose to be ethical anyway.

You come across as though you'd be lost if someone else did not provide your life with purpose, and that's depressing to think about.

2) When it comes to wanting particular groups to refrain from commentary or protest, you should first consider how your particular group's actions are impacting them.

It is frequently the case that religious organisations have a tremendously negative impact on the lives of those outside those organisations. If laws, education, medical research, freedom of expression, art and culture, women's rights etc. for the general population are being impaired by the presence of individuals conforming to a particular organisation's superstitions, then surely it is the outliers whose commentary and protest deserve restriction? Whether or not members of those outlier groups are offended by their denigration is of no concern. All parties are afforded freedom of expression and may exercise their right to feel offended.

Thanks for the unnecessary concern trolling. But you are either deluded or too stupid to think if you claim the universe is meaningless you can find meaning, subjective or not.