Row as surgeon students from five universities fail exam

Compton_effect

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The two Doctors who did the final certification at Pretoria University both resigned in protest a few years ago, after they were instructed to apply quotas. I prefer my doctors to have graduated before 2015, regardless of university.
 

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It doesn't look like claims of racism are the main reason they're investigating. Ideally, any organisation would investigate such a huge drop.
 

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Then I suggest you never go for any operation in SA as almost all medical specialists repeat the exams particularly the aesthetics one.. granted that’s the harder of the specialist study you can do.
:) add engineers to the list. Designs are not signed by engineers who necessary graduated with high marks.
 
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I have seen many instances at UCT where a class failed an engineering exam. Nothing new here. At that time, they would adjust marks.
 

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It doesn't look like claims of racism are the main reason they're investigating. Ideally, any organisation would investigate such a huge drop.
Racism claims should not feature at all until such time as all investigations have been completed and actual concrete evidence of racism presented irrespective of whether they be primary, secondary or other. Such statements are irresponsible in the extreme.
 

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It doesn't look like claims of racism are the main reason they're investigating. Ideally, any organisation would investigate such a huge drop.
And no one passed from UCT, UFS and UP? - I suspect lesufi is behind this one. ;)
 

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Racism claims should not feature at all until such time as all investigations have been completed and actual concrete evidence of racism presented irrespective of whether they be primary, secondary or other. Such statements are irresponsible in the extreme.
There are allegation/suspicion of paper leaks, which may have prompted heavy moderation. Of course any organisation worth its salt would follow up any such allegations or any possible leads to what contributed to the sudden decline.

At UCT, head of general surgery professor Elmi Muller asked professor Elelwani Ramugondo, dean for postgraduate education, to intervene in the matter.
Muller said UCT has a strong surgery program and most of its students usually passed the FCS exam.
“We are concerned that the paper was leaked,” Muller said in her letter to Ramugondo.
“I am very concerned about the impact that this exam’s results will have on the individuals concerned. There was clearly a problem with this exam.”
Senkubuge said the upcoming probe will look into the leak allegations. “The colleagues who are speaking to you should be able to bring any knowledge of any leak that they might suspect.
“They can also come and make submissions to the investigation. It will be transparent,” she said.
In the meeting with academics, Senkubuge rebuffed Luvhengo’s assertions that were elements of racism. “I want to debunk this myth that people are failing,” she said.
“What is true is that indeed African males are failing more than each and every single other person.
“So, we ask them - because we saw them in the listening tours - ‘what is happening’? Are they not passing the college because there’s something else that’s underlying?
“Many of them were quite candid and they said, ‘listen doctor Senkubuge the reason why we’re failing is because we’re trying to take care of our families. We’re never there (for preparations). We’re R1 (surgeries) and that’.
“It is not true that you have foreign people passing and South Africans are not passing,” said Senkubuge.
Only one professor supports the notion racism is involved.
 

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And no one passed from UCT, UFS and UP? - I suspect lesufi is behind this one. ;)
Lol. That communist up to something again.

On a serious note, I don't understand why people are throwing their toys out of the cot when an organisation does quality checks on their own work. If I was a leader of this organisation, I'd be very concerned as well. It's a huge drop by any measure.
 

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Lol. That communist up to something again.

On a serious note, I don't understand why people are throwing their toys out of the cot when an organisation does quality checks on their own work. If I was a leader of this organisation, I'd be very concerned as well. It's a huge drop by any measure.
I have no idea. I am just waiting to see if there is one khumalo on the fail list - then this thread will be lit. Then watch the trump supporters move from that thread to here :ROFL: :ROFL:
 
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If the papers were leaked, then just create a new exam paper. Isn't that the only fair thing to do?

I mean, create a new exam paper before the students write it.
 

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They could just ditch the current colonialised program and become decolonised Traditional Surgeons and practice under the Sangomas Council and still make a killing. All they need is some kahuna to say they are legit and they are licensed to operate.
 

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They could just ditch the current colonialised program and become decolonised Traditional Surgeons and practice under the Sangomas Council and still make a killing. All they need is some kahuna to say they are legit and they are licensed to operate.
I bow to your greek heritage, especially your family's lineage stretching back to Hippocrates.
 

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What?
People getting worked up over this?
Wait until you have a medical emergency -- with NO options , AND are forced to use a "surgeon" who faked his / her exam because he / she used a stolen exam paper
( supplied by the medical "educator" -- to conform to a QUOTA stipulation )

Is this IMPENDING situation too difficult for YOU to comprehend ?
 

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Ensure that universities produce quality medical graduates, is this not why exams should not be easy? As it is, the pass mark percentage is 30% for matric. Imagine a doctor passing with 30%! This in reality means the doctor only knows 30% of the human anatomy, I certainly wouldn't visit a GP who only knows 30% about the human body!!
Be bold and only allow thos deserving candidates to pass.
 
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