Row as surgeon students from five universities fail exam

[MidnightWizard]

No, I don't quiz them. I ask questions relevant to my disease. She was a fake doctor who couldn't answer questions from a layman. In addition, she misdiagnosed. Also, it was the first time I went to their practice.

Did you ask to see her formal medical qualifications ?
Did you report her to the head of the practice ?

 

[ForceFate]

Did you ask to see her formal medical qualifications ?
Did you report her to the head of the practice ?

Are you telling me you don't ask questions? I do.

 

[Packer]

The 10 candidates from UKZN all passed

I would be extremely suspicious of this (fraud or corruption?). I know the UKZN shithole well and I doubt candidates could have passed water let alone an exam.

 

[ForceFate]

I would be extremely suspicious of this (fraud or corruption?). I know the UKZN shithole well and I doubt candidates could have passed water let alone an exam.

You know the candidates? While I agree there are reasonable grounds to be suspicious, the notion that all candidates are stupid and couldn't have passed is stupid on its own.

Unless you know all 10 candidates.

 

[Packer]

Unless you know all 10 candidates.

I know the institution, the pressures to ‘transform’, the idiots they have as HODs and the top heavy, brain dead bureaucracy and I KNOW the institutions mentioned are better than UKZN. The idea of all their candidates passing is unrealistic.

 

[Pavan]

UKZN’s med school was recently involved in bribes for placements right? It’s common knowledge that the med school there has been in dire straits for some time... very dodgy indeed.

 

[ForceFate]

I know the institution, the pressures to ‘transform’, the idiots they have as HODs and the top heavy, brain dead bureaucracy and I KNOW the institutions mentioned are better than UKZN. The idea of all their candidates passing is unrealistic.

Granted, but people can still do well under trying circumstances. Maybe not all of them but I think you get the picture.

 

[ForceFate]

Exams failed by all medical students at four universities were fairly marked, says examinations board

The surgery exams failed by most of the country's final-year students were fairly marked, the Colleges of Medicine of SA said.

www.timeslive.co.za

The surgery exams failed by most of the country's final-year students were fairly marked, the Colleges of Medicine of SA (CMSA) says.
This was shown by an international moderation process, the organisation said. The CMSA is a non-profit body which runs, sets and marks the exams for doctors and dentists to become specialists.

 

[lumeer]

Exams failed by all medical students at four universities were fairly marked, says examinations board

The surgery exams failed by most of the country's final-year students were fairly marked, the Colleges of Medicine of SA said.

www.timeslive.co.za

Fairly marked is only half of it. Were the exams of reasonable standard? An unreasonably difficult exam can also be marked fairly.

 

[TheChamp]

So what now? I am very confused...

 

[krycor]

So what now? I am very confused...

If I understand correctly they re-write next year? You allowed to repeat once for written and once for oral.

 

[TheChamp]

If I understand correctly they re-write next year? You allowed to repeat once for written and once for oral.

I meant about all the aspersions we've cast on the students from less prestigious universities, seems like they have indeed passed and the larneys have failed? Do we still question how they passed or we give it to them, begrudgingly ?

 

[Moto Guzzi]

More at: https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news...nts-from-five-universities-fail-exam-33650499

Out of all the shocks this country deliver on a daily basis, this one could unite the nation, I mean even the corruptees with the money would be worried on this one, the prognosis going to a hospital in future does not look good.
Your children's children are going to hate this generation screwups.
Polititians are working hard deleting this "profession" from the world, maybe if the 3rd generation from now wake up, it will become a reality and the world freed from forced diversifications.

 

[Moto Guzzi]

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[Nick333]

The worrying thing Is the one university that had a 100% pass mark when everyone else failed. I would also be asking questions

One university covered the subject matter in lectures and told students it was important?

 

[R13...]

One university covered the subject matter in lectures and told students it was important?

Or the paper leaked as alleged

 

[TheChamp]

Or the paper leaked as alleged

I understand paper leaks but surely the should have been at least one person from the other universities who studied towards the right direction, or is the pass mark too high?

 

[Compton_effect]

Doctors who failed surgeons exams to rewrite it in multiple-choice format

An examination spectacularly failed by all would-be professional surgeons from five universities two weeks ago will now be written in a multiple-choice format.
Zach Koto, president of the council of surgeons at the Colleges of Medicine of SA (CMSA), announced at a media briefing held in Joburg on Tuesday that the multiple-choice format will be used, starting from next year.

A row erupted last week after it emerged that all candidates from Wits University, University of Cape Town, University of Pretoria, Walter Sisulu University and University of the Free State had failed the exam.
Some university officials questioned why only candidates from the University of KwaZulu-Natal (UKZN), Sefako Makgatho Health Sciences University and Stellenbosch University managed to pass.
Koto said the multiple choice was a principle implemented nationally and internationally.

 

[Compton_effect]

So - new question to ask before agreeing to surgery 'Tell me doc, what year did you graduate?'

 

[Ancalagon]

Fairly marked is only half of it. Were the exams of reasonable standard? An unreasonably difficult exam can also be marked fairly.

This was international moderation though. Part of a moderator's job is to assess the relevance of the exam to the qualification being obtained, as well as the difficulty.

Remember we are reading this from a news article. The actual output of moderation probably contained statements regarding the fairness, difficulty and relevance of the exam - which the news article just left out because it didn't need to mention it.