RTX 2080 Founders Edition Review

[theratman]

Do what you do.

I'm hoping AMD gives us something better than those Overpriced Scam

I would've gone Ati but the cost due to mining was ridiculous. Picked up a 1060 6gb instead, even that was over priced though but it was the best I could afford.

 

[Theweasel]

I would've gone Ati but the cost due to mining was ridiculous. Picked up a 1060 6gb instead, even that was over priced though but it was the best I could afford.

Yeah,A 1060 is a great card

 

[genetic]

I'm 20 mi guy.

Explains everything.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

My bad.I apologize.

It's just People don't understand what is going on.I tell all my friends not to buy this card at all and they don't listen

Worth considering that you're mistaken about it then, wouldn't you say?

 

[Theweasel]

Worth considering that you're mistaken about it then, wouldn't you say?

By what?

That the Rtx cards are Crap?I don't think so,mate.

It's better value for you money if you do a SLI with 2x Vega 56/64 OR 2x Gtx 1080TI

 

[Progenix Oj101]

Yeah,Yeah,Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.Revolutionary....

Rtx is a scam,Almost every new series had an Perfomance boost of 50%+.Now,its a mere 20-30% of u pay 15k+ to get it?How stupid can I go.

You are so misguided I don't know where to begin. 50% is nowhere near the norm, the norm is closer to 20-25%. Maxwell was the only generation that gave us anywhere near 50% over the previous generation, making it the exception and not the rule.

Additionally, you might want to read my post as you've made an absolute fool of yourself by tunnel-visioning on a point which RTX is not focused on.

Guys like you are the reason gaming won't be Affordable anymore and that you willing to drop every penny for a small improvement shows how delusional you guys have become.

How is one $ 1,000 card outperforming four $ 4,000 workstation cards from last generation a small improvement? Is it because it doesn't get a billion frames per second at 1440p? So what? Read my last post. Nobody, as in nobody, cares if a card gets 1,000 frames per second or 1,000,000 frames per second. It's an arbitrary number past the point we're already at, so why keep pushing it higher?

You come across as one of those guys who goes to Alienware's website and configures the most expensive system you can because you're impressed by any high number.

Reading is hard, yo

I agree, but he only makes himself look silly.

My bad.I apologize.

It's just People don't understand what is going on.I tell all my friends not to buy this card at all and they don't listen

Maybe that's because they understand the focus of RTX and you don't? Given your arrogance, I'm honestly not surprised you don't.

Do what you do.

I'm hoping AMD gives us something better than those Overpriced Scam

AMD won't have an answer for GTX 1080 Ti until late 2019, never mind an answer for RTX. I'd almost (no, not really) not be surprised if Intel became competitive in the GPU market before AMD.

By what?

That the Rtx cards are Crap?I don't think so,mate.

It's better value for you money if you do a SLI with 2x Vega 56/64 OR 2x Gtx 1080TI

That's like saying a BMW M760Li is a crap car because it isn't 50% faster than a McLaren 675LT. Guess what? It was never meant to be. The focus of the BMW isn't pure acceleration, top speed and corner handling.

You're welcome to keep yourself stuck in the past, but if you'd like to appear like less of a colossal toss pot (I'm not saying you ARE one, but you're definitely acting like one) I suggest reading my previous post instead of skimming the first two lines and replying with "blah blah blah."

Oh, and lastly, SLI is all but dead, so you're wrong there. Many games don't offer any scaling (or have negative scaling, as in two cards are actually slower than one) with SLI enabled. Not only are game developers abandoning SLI, but NVIDIA is slowly giving up on it as well.

Vega 64 Crossfire can more or less keep up with a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, but with much more frame time variance. Given that Vega 64 us a R 9,000 card, I'm not sure how spending R 18,000 for a worse experience than a GTX 1080 Ti is good advice in the slightest. That's more than the RTX 2080 for worse performance, MUCH higher power consumption and heat dissipation, needing two slots on a motherboard, having a setup that doesn't scale with every game, etc.

 

[Theweasel]

You are so misguided I don't know where to begin. 50% is nowhere near the norm, the norm is closer to 20-25%. Maxwell was the only generation that gave us anywhere near 50% over the previous generation, making it the exception and not the rule.

Additionally, you might want to read my post as you've made an absolute fool of yourself by tunnel-visioning on a point which RTX is not focused on.



How is one $ 1,000 card outperforming four $ 4,000 workstation cards from last generation a small improvement? Is it because it doesn't get a billion frames per second at 1440p? So what? Read my last post. Nobody, as in nobody, cares if a card gets 1,000 frames per second or 1,000,000 frames per second. It's an arbitrary number past the point we're already at, so why keep pushing it higher?

You come across as one of those guys who goes to Alienware's website and configures the most expensive system you can because you're impressed by any high number.



I agree, but he only makes himself look silly.



Maybe that's because they understand the focus of RTX and you don't? Given your arrogance, I'm honestly not surprised you don't.



AMD won't have an answer for GTX 1080 Ti until late 2019, never mind an answer for RTX. I'd almost (no, not really) not be surprised if Intel became competitive in the GPU market before AMD.



That's like saying a BMW M760Li is a crap car because it isn't 50% faster than a McLaren 675LT. Guess what? It was never meant to be. The focus of the BMW isn't pure acceleration, top speed and corner handling.

You're welcome to keep yourself stuck in the past, but if you'd like to appear like less of a colossal toss pot (I'm not saying you ARE one, but you're definitely acting like one) I suggest reading my previous post instead of skimming the first two lines and replying with "blah blah blah."

Oh, and lastly, SLI is all but dead, so you're wrong there. Many games don't offer any scaling (or have negative scaling, as in two cards are actually slower than one) with SLI enabled. Not only are game developers abandoning SLI, but NVIDIA is slowly giving up on it as well.

Vega 64 Crossfire can more or less keep up with a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, but with much more frame time variance. Given that Vega 64 us a R 9,000 card, I'm not sure how spending R 18,000 for a worse experience than a GTX 1080 Ti is good advice in the slightest. That's more than the RTX 2080 for worse performance, MUCH higher power consumption and heat dissipation, needing two slots on a motherboard, having a setup that doesn't scale with every game, etc.

Seems the gang gonna club me here.Buy those cards, dummies.

I don't even care anymore, Y'all are just ignorant.

We warned you about them and NVIDIA fanboys always gotta be fanboy.

You will feel the wrath.

 

[Sinbad]

Seems the gang gonna club me here.Buy those cards, dummies.

I don't even care anymore, Y'all are just ignorant.

We warned you about them and NVIDIA fanboys always gotta be fanboy.

You will feel the wrath.

You obviously do care...

Let people do what they want. No skin off your nose.

 

[Progenix Oj101]

Seems the gang gonna club me here.Buy those cards, dummies.

I don't even care anymore, Y'all are just ignorant.

We warned you about them and NVIDIA fanboys always gotta be fanboy.

You will feel the wrath.

We're ignorant, yet you don't understand the concept of progress.

Go back to your ox and cart.

 

[Theweasel]

You obviously do care...

Let people do what they want. No skin off your nose.

Sure,I will keep preaching people not to buy the new cards nor the intel 9900k

People need to be informed and have no lies from nvidia.An rtx is the worst card I have seen

 

[Theweasel]

We're ignorant, yet you don't understand the concept of progress.

Go back to your ox and cart.

I do and it's that one must do info before buying something and not buy cause they can afford it.

I do understand the concept of progress.Unlike you, Nvidia Fanboy.

Hey,My ox cart has 1000hp.

 

[Progenix Oj101]

I do and it's that one must do info before buying something and not buy cause they can afford it.

I do understand the concept of progress.Unlike you, Nvidia Fanboy.

Hey,My ox cart has 1000hp.

You claim to understand progress yet you don't understand that with the potential for RTRT it is the future, and not rasterization. You claim to understand progress yet you don't understand the potential for AI denoising with a 0% performance penalty. You claim to understand progress yet you think it's all about straight line speed. By your logic we would still be using software renderers on the CPU and have single stage pipeline CPUs (as your logic is that faster is all that matters, so shorten that pipeline and see the frequency sore).

Now I ask of you, what would you have liked from the RTX cards? You keep claiming they're a "scam" (based on what, exactly?), yet you're yet to say how they're a scam or what they should have been.

I'm not sure if you're extremely arrogant or a troll, but it's one of the two. What I am sure of, however, is that you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about and want things to stay that way.

 

[Theweasel]

You claim to understand progress yet you don't understand that with the potential for RTRT it is the future, and not rasterization. You claim to understand progress yet you don't understand the potential for AI denoising with a 0% performance penalty. You claim to understand progress yet you think it's all about straight line speed. By your logic we would still be using software renderers on the CPU and have single stage pipeline CPUs (as your logic is that faster is all that matters, so shorten that pipeline and see the frequency sore).

Now I ask of you, what would you have liked from the RTX cards? You keep claiming they're a "scam" (based on what, exactly?), yet you're yet to say how they're a scam or what they should have been.

I'm not sure if you're extremely arrogant or a troll, but it's one of the two.

Theres no 50%+ improvement from the last gen cards between the 1080s.Basically,The 2080 is just a 1080ti and the 2080ti is just an overclocked card.

The PRICE,I won't pay R17000+ for a 1080ti comparable card.

This opens doors for Nvidia to manipulate us with high prices.If this card succeeds,Nvidia will be known as the "Dope Guys GPU"

 

[Progenix Oj101]

Theres no 50%+ improvement from the last gen cards between the 1080s.Basically,The 2080 is just a 1080ti and the 2080ti is just an overclocked card.

The PRICE,I won't pay R17000+ for a 1080ti comparable card.

This opens doors for Nvidia to manipulate us with high prices.If this card succeeds,Nvidia will be known as the "Dope Guys GPU"

So to be sure I understand this, it's a scam because it isn't 50% faster than the previous generation? If that's the case, your argument falls flat as NVIDIA never made that claim.

As I've already said, 50% over a previous generation is NOT the norm.

Was the GeForce 4 Ti 4600 50% faster than the GeForce 3 Ti500? Nope. Was the GeForce 9800 GTX 50% faster than the GeForce 8800 Ultra? Not by a country mile. Was the GeForce GTX 580 50% faster than the GeForce GTX 480? Negative. Maxwell was the exception, offering near 50% improvements, but by NO MEANS the norm.

The RTX 2080 is completely unrelated to the GTX 1080 Ti. It has 3584 shaders, 224 texture mapping units and 88 render outputs vs 2944 shaders, 184 texture mapping units, 64 render outputs, 46 ray tracing cores and 368 tensor cores - how are those two the same thing?

The RTX 2080 Ti is not an overclocked RTX 2080 either, the former uses the TU102 core while the latter uses TU104 which has 1408 fewer shaders, 88 fewer TMUs, 24 less ROPs, 176 fewer Tensor cores, and 22 fewer ray tracing cores. Please explain how overclocking enables these?

Back to my first example, I assume the Mercedes W116 was also a scam due to its price tag? Progression costs money. Getting to a point where we have RTRT has taken engineers a decade - how do you think the R&D costs will be recouped if not through a higher price tag?

 

[Theweasel]

So to be sure I understand this, it's a scam because it isn't 50% faster than the previous generation? If that's the case, your argument falls flat as NVIDIA never made that claim.

As I've already said, 50% over a previous generation is NOT the norm.

Was the GeForce 4 Ti 4600 50% faster than the GeForce 3 Ti500? Nope. Was the GeForce 9800 GTX 50% faster than the GeForce 8800 Ultra? Not by a country mile. Was the GeForce GTX 580 50% faster than the GeForce GTX 480? Negative. Maxwell was the exception, offering near 50% improvements, but by NO MEANS the norm.

The RTX 2080 is completely unrelated to the GTX 1080 Ti. It has 3584 shaders, 224 texture mapping units and 88 render outputs vs 2944 shaders, 184 texture mapping units, 64 render outputs, 46 ray tracing cores and 368 tensor cores - how are those two the same thing?

The RTX 2080 Ti is not an overclocked RTX 2080 either, the former uses the TU102 core while the latter uses TU104 which has 1408 fewer shaders, 88 fewer TMUs, 24 less ROPs, 176 fewer Tensor cores, and 22 fewer ray tracing cores. Please explain how overclocking enables these?

Back to my first example, I assume the Mercedes W116 was also a scam due to its price tag? Progression costs money. Getting to a point where we have RTRT has taken engineers a decade - how do you think the R&D costs will be recouped if not through a higher price tag?

They can recoup R&D costs from their AI graphics cards like quadro.Not through us.

They were able to recoup the R&D via with easy prices,

Cause I did so much research into these cards.

Just buy intel 9900k and rtx since that's what you want.Just know u are being scammed.

 

[Theweasel]

So to be sure I understand this, it's a scam because it isn't 50% faster than the previous generation? If that's the case, your argument falls flat as NVIDIA never made that claim.

As I've already said, 50% over a previous generation is NOT the norm.

Was the GeForce 4 Ti 4600 50% faster than the GeForce 3 Ti500? Nope. Was the GeForce 9800 GTX 50% faster than the GeForce 8800 Ultra? Not by a country mile. Was the GeForce GTX 580 50% faster than the GeForce GTX 480? Negative. Maxwell was the exception, offering near 50% improvements, but by NO MEANS the norm.

The RTX 2080 is completely unrelated to the GTX 1080 Ti. It has 3584 shaders, 224 texture mapping units and 88 render outputs vs 2944 shaders, 184 texture mapping units, 64 render outputs, 46 ray tracing cores and 368 tensor cores - how are those two the same thing?

The RTX 2080 Ti is not an overclocked RTX 2080 either, the former uses the TU102 core while the latter uses TU104 which has 1408 fewer shaders, 88 fewer TMUs, 24 less ROPs, 176 fewer Tensor cores, and 22 fewer ray tracing cores. Please explain how overclocking enables these?

Back to my first example, I assume the Mercedes W116 was also a scam due to its price tag? Progression costs money. Getting to a point where we have RTRT has taken engineers a decade - how do you think the R&D costs will be recouped if not through a higher price tag?

So basically, U would rather fight and pay R17000+ for 3 fps improvement?

U gotta be kidding me

 

[Progenix Oj101]

So basically, U would rather fight and pay R17000+ for 3 fps improvement?

U gotta be kidding me

Test the equipment in the intended environment. Try some RTRT on a GTX 1080 Ti (where you'll get single digit frame rates - at times dipping below 1 FPS) against an RTX 2080 Ti (where you'll get 30-60 FPS) and tell me there's no improvement.

Once again, I'm still waiting for you to explain your "scam" claim, but I have a strong feeling I won't get an acceptable reply to that

 

[Solitude]

So basically, U would rather fight and pay R17000+ for 3 fps improvement?

U gotta be kidding me

You do realise that fps is not the only reason why you pay for this card but because of new technologies, right?

I bought a 2080 and I'm very happy. It was only R1000 more expensive than a 1080 Ti but it has a VirtualLink port, raytracing and DLSS.

What's not to like?

 

[Theweasel]

Test the equipment in the intended environment. Try some RTRT on a GTX 1080 Ti (where you'll get single digit frame rates - at times dipping below 1 FPS) against an RTX 2080 Ti (where you'll get 30-60 FPS) and tell me there's no improvement.

Once again, I'm still waiting for you to explain your "scam" claim, but I have a strong feeling I won't get an acceptable reply to that

With tomb raider,they got 30-35 fps.

Ray tracing is useless at this point,Maybe the next cards released next year will do much better and I will gladly buy it from AMD with Navi 7nm.

Waiting for that beast to come

 

[Sinbad]

these things do real time ray tracing? That's pretty fkn awesome