Russia cuts gas flows further as Europe makes savings plea

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The cut in supplies, flagged by Gazprom GAZP.MM earlier this week, has reduced the capacity of Nord Stream 1 pipeline – the major delivery route to Europe for Russian gas – to a mere fifth of its total capacity.

Nord Stream 1 accounts for around a third of all Russian gas exports to Europe.

On Tuesday, EU countries approved a weakened emergency plan to curb gas demand after striking compromise deals to limit cuts for some countries, hoping lower consumption will ease the impact in case Moscow stops supplies altogether.

The plan highlights fears that countries will be unable to meet goals to refill storage and keep their citizens warm during the winter months and that Europe’s fragile economic growth may take another hit if gas will have to be rationed.


Royal Bank of Canada analysts said the plan could help Europe get through the winter provided gas flows from Russia are at 20-50% capacity, but warned against “complacency in the market European politicians have now solved the issue of Russian gas dependence.”

 

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All these European countries, especially Germany should go f**k themselves. They made the decision to do away with coal-powered energy and rely on green energy and import of dirty gas from Russia. Don't cry now when you realize green energy does not work and Russia cuts your supplies. Get off your lazy a$$es and start mining for coal and build more coal-powered stations. In 20 years you will be energy independent again. Shoot any person who comes with 'green energy' on sight,
 

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Umh

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All these European countries, especially Germany should go f**k themselves. They made the decision to do away with coal-powered energy and rely on green energy and import of dirty gas from Russia. Don't cry now when you realize green energy does not work and Russia cuts your supplies. Get off your lazy a$$es and start mining for coal and build more coal-powered stations. In 20 years you will be energy independent again. Shoot any person who comes with 'green energy' on sight,
Putin remains a genius.
Let's throttle our income to just 20% of potential.

Master strategist indeed.
 

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All these European countries, especially Germany should go f**k themselves. They made the decision to do away with coal-powered energy and rely on green energy and import of dirty gas from Russia. Don't cry now when you realize green energy does not work and Russia cuts your supplies. Get off your lazy a$$es and start mining for coal and build more coal-powered stations. In 20 years you will be energy independent again. Shoot any person who comes with 'green energy' on sight,
Or they could just do the logical thing and satisfy both constraints by building nuclear power stations.

Which is what they are going to do:

There is absolutely no safety, cost or environmental reason why nuclear power shouldn't be used. Why people are against it is for a completely different reason:

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Why has eu not cut off the evil russian supply themselves? Why are they still paying putin man bad for gas? Every drop of gas they buy from him fuels his war machine. They must be held accountable for supporting this evil
 

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Ahhh, dem Europeans gonna feel like SA. Its nothing my bra you will get used to no gas, water, electricity huge fkn potholes and no service deliverey.
 

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Why has eu not cut off the evil russian supply themselves? Why are they still paying putin man bad for gas? Every drop of gas they buy from him fuels his war machine. They must be held accountable for supporting this evil
Cause they need the gas genius... Their very survival depends on it and contrary to what the media tells you, Russia doesn't need EU money to continue killing in Ukraine
 

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Cause they need the gas genius... Their very survival depends on it and contrary to what the media tells you, Russia doesn't need EU money to continue killing in Ukraine
They don't 'need' it. They must sacrifice their heating and cooking for the liberal world order. All 'current thing' folks should immediatly cut off their electricity and gas supplies for the war effort. No putin gas is a moral victory against him and that will show him, its also a victory for global warming.
 

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They don't 'need' it. They must sacrifice their heating and cooking for the liberal world order. All 'current thing' folks should immediatly cut off their electricity and gas supplies for the war effort. No putin gas is a moral victory against him and that will show him, its also a victory for global warming.
"They must sacrifice their heating and cooking for the liberal world order." :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:Yeah, that's a load of horse crap, have you sacrificed anything for Ukraine? Before expecting people to forgo comforts? .. :ROFL:
 

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"They must sacrifice their heating and cooking for the liberal world order." :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:Yeah, that's a load of horse crap, have you sacrificed anything for Ukraine? Before expecting people to forgo comforts? .. :ROFL:
Of course I have sacrificed. I dedicated an entire tweet to it, 'I support the current thing', hashtag and all, and, I haven't drunk vodka in 20 odd years, thats right, I was boycotting vodka 20 years in advance
 

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They don't 'need' it. They must sacrifice their heating and cooking for the liberal world order. All 'current thing' folks should immediatly cut off their electricity and gas supplies for the war effort. No putin gas is a moral victory against him and that will show him, its also a victory for global warming.
Not just heating, lots of industry relies on it. Germany has a huge chemical industry that requires the gas:
FRANKFURT, July 27 (Reuters) - Germany’s BASF, the world’s largest chemical company, is considering further cuts to ammonia production due to soaring natural gas prices, two sources familiar with the matter said, with potential ramifications from farming to fizzy drinks.
Germany’s biggest ammonia maker SKW Piesteritz and number four Ineos also said they could not rule out production cuts as the country grapples with disruption to Russian gas supplies.

Ammonia plays a key role in the manufacturing of fertiliser, engineering plastics and diesel exhaust fluid. Its production also yields high-purity carbon dioxide (CO2) as a byproduct, which is needed by the meat and fizzy drinks industries.
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Most ammonia goes into nitrogen fertilisers but other uses include diesel exhaust fluid AdBlue and engineering plastics.
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During normal times, ammonia production accounts for about 4.5% of the natural gas used by German industry.
Note Germany already has cut gas usage by ~15% in the first half year, 35% in May,
Power generators, which typically account for about 10% of the nation’s demand, have also used less gas this year. The month of May was an exception, partly due to lower availability of power from renewable sources.

Germany’s total gas consumption fell by 14% to 460 billion kilowatt hours in the first five months of the year, according to BDEW.

Or they could just do the logical thing and satisfy both constraints by building nuclear power stations.
Sure, they have a short-term energy problem, but let's build a nuclear power station that will take at least 8-10 years to construct, great solution, you pass with flying colors. /s
They're already building out a lot of renewable power generation, that's all going to come online within the next few years, most of the offshore stuff is set to be 2027/28 though (still way faster than nuclear).

All these European countries, especially Germany should go f**k themselves. They made the decision to do away with coal-powered energy and rely on green energy and import of dirty gas from Russia. Don't cry now when you realize green energy does not work and Russia cuts your supplies. Get off your lazy a$$es and start mining for coal and build more coal-powered stations. In 20 years you will be energy independent again. Shoot any person who comes with 'green energy' on sight,
And as usual, you understand nothing.

Renewable hasn't failed, they are still busy building it out, they are still busy upgrading their grid system, they are still transitioning, the gas was to help with the transition.
Coal reserves in Germany aren't great, lignite is pretty bad for energy density. They shut down the coal plants early because they were not economical to run, now they are, so there are some on standby if needed, they're not running now.

Building any coal power plants right now would just be stupid, again, same as nuclear, would take years to build, meanwhile you could just build cheaper renewable etc., which they're already doing.

Coal revival only temporary​


Kerstin Andreae, head of the German Association of Energy and Water Industries, told German public broadcaster ARD on Monday that reserve power plants burning German lignite can be brought online in "a relatively short time span." Those using hard coal for electricity generation would need coal imports from abroad, she said.

Germany closed its last remaining hard coal mine in 2018, and has since relied on Russia for half of its needs of the fossil fuel. "Russian coal can be completely replaced by other countries in a few months. Especially from the US, Colombia and South Africa," Alexander Bethe, board chairman of the Association of Coal Importers, said in a statement.

While parliament is scheduled to vote on the coal bill by July 8, the government has made it clear that the revival of the fossil fuel in Germany will last only until March 2024. By that time, Berlin wants to have Russian gas supplies reduced to about 10%, from 55% before the war and 35% currently.
Renewables provide 49 per cent of power used in Germany in first half of 2022

The preliminary figures were calculated under European Union requirements that base market share of individual electricity sources on usage rather than production, a basis also adopted by Berlin for its climate target definitions, they said.
Read more at:
https://energy.economictimes.indiat...any-in-first-half-of-2022/92694305?redirect=1

As an aside, gas reduction even in households would have been a natural transition (for heating), heat pumps are just so much more efficient.
 
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Putin remains a genius.
Let's throttle our income to just 20% of potential.

Master strategist indeed.
Only a income if they get paid or have access to the funds.
 

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Why has eu not cut off the evil russian supply themselves? Why are they still paying putin man bad for gas? Every drop of gas they buy from him fuels his war machine. They must be held accountable for supporting this evil
But but they stopped buying from the arabs, cant buy oil from Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran now they can’t buy from Russia, what do you suggest they do
 

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But but they stopped buying from the arabs, cant buy oil from Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran now they can’t buy from Russia, what do you suggest they do
Moar carbon taxes, moar banning fertilisers, moar banning farmers. Sacrifices must be made for the wef and the liberal world order. Cut off all nuclear, oil, gas and coal energy over winter. If you die, you die knowing you have done your part to not only reduce the population and save the planet from your co2 poison, but you also have the virtue points for not contributing to the putin war machine... anything less and you're not serious about supporting any of the current things #forthewareffort
 

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Moar carbon taxes, moar banning fertilisers, moar banning farmers. Sacrifices must be made for the wef and the liberal world order. Cut off all nuclear, oil, gas and coal energy over winter. If you die, you die knowing you have done your part to not only reduce the population and save the planet from your co2 poison, but you also have the virtue points for not contributing to the putin war machine... anything less and you're not serious about supporting any of the current things #forthewareffort
Can we sacrifice Ukraine for the good of humanity
 

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Why Germany's Energiewende Might Fail

The German government made a key mistake when it announced the end of the nuclear era in Germany eight years ago: It announced it was turning away from nuclear power, without simultaneously initiating the end of coal.

Wind turbines and solar panels were installed across the country -- but the coal-fired power plants kept operating. The government set up a clean energy system alongside the dirty one. But why? Because Berlin was afraid of do anything that might harm a single company or voter.

Germany has never come up with a clear strategy for the shift to renewables, fully thought out from the beginning to end. There have always been two competing concepts of the Energiewende, even before Merkel.

Politicians like former Environment Minister Jürgen Trittin, a Green Party politician who was part of the cabinet of the center-left Social Democratic (SPD) Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, were in favor of a radical shift, no matter what the cost. Others, like the SPD Economics Minister Sigmar Gabriel and his successor Peter Altmaier, from Merkel's center-right Christian Democrats (CDU), were more concerned about German industry and job numbers. Neither side trusted the other and a stalemate ensued. Progress halted.

This helps explain why the government never dared set up an Energy Ministry that might have had the ability to move things forward, and instead divided up the project among the Chancellery, the Environment Ministry and the Economics Ministry. It is an unholy trinity that has continually followed the same pattern: The Environment Ministry surges ahead, the Economics Ministry warns of dramatic job losses and the Chancellery avoids making a decision.

The expansion of Germany's electrical grid has suffered the most from this lack of political impetus. More than a decade ago, the German government passed a resolution to quickly build the necessary high-voltage transmission lines, with experts today saying there is a need for 7,700 kilometers (4,800 miles) of such lines. But only 950 have been built. And in 2017, only 30 kilometers of lines were built across the whole country.

A good 2019 blast from the past article to demonstrate why the Energiewende well short of expectations, it goes much deeper than just Russian gas. There was no reason to prematurely shut down the nuclear power stations, but the Germans are in a bit of a quagmire as you cannot just kickstart them overnight.
 

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They don't 'need' it. They must sacrifice their heating and cooking for the liberal world order. All 'current thing' folks should immediatly cut off their electricity and gas supplies for the war effort. No putin gas is a moral victory against him and that will show him, its also a victory for global warming.
Didn't the 'current thing' folks hold out Germany etc as examples of solar and wind power? :unsure:
 

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Only a income if they get paid or have access to the funds.

Or if the income had any actual value

The dollar is crumbling and receiving "income" in dollars is probably worrying some sovereign nations, especially when looking at the FED printing money like there is no tomorrow.
 
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