Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition Part 1

[Unhappy438]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1511963297976930309

 

[Cius]

If only there was a proper Block function like Facebook has. Block some dunce and then they can't see your posts either.

I found myself getting so upset reading this thread sometimes that I started avoiding it. Put two people on ignore and suddenly I am enjoying it again.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

CNNbots play the emotional card post after post, page after page with war crimes committed by Russia.
Evidence is posted of Ukraine soldiers murdering detained unarmed prisoners of war.
CNNbots go quiet like a Trump supporter on the set of Are you smarter than a 5th grader.
CNNbots now resort to insults of Putinbot's wifes.

Update: CNNbots have now started the age old diversion of grammar and spellchecking. Sources have it that they are encircling the Putinbots with this new offensive and that the Putinbots are retreating. MBB admin are investigating Grammar crimes.
Regards
Darth Philani

 

[Illegal Allien]

It seems the open source intelligence community has made it their mission to identify the soldiers in this video.

Truly gruesome stuff. This is why i believe Ukraine is just Russia with better PR and manpads

 

[Cray]

Truly gruesome stuff. This is why i believe Ukraine is just Russia with better PR and manpads

I think every army has a small minority of soldiers that will commit crimes if, given the opportunity, the test will be how Ukraine chooses to handle it.

 

[ForceFate]

Russia supported the minsk agreements, Russia wants Crimea because the base and nothing more.

They annexed Crimea because of the strong pro-Russian sentiment, which isn't as much in the eastern regions. The ease with which they took Crimea must have led to them believing they can easily march through the country towards Kyiv.

 

[rietrot]

They annexed Crimea because of the strong pro-Russian sentiment, which isn't as much in the eastern regions. The ease with which they took Crimea must have led to them believing they can easily march through the country towards Kyiv.

It might have given them the false impression that this invasion of Ukraine would be easier. And it was to some extent they mostly met their militaty objectives on day 2, that doesn't indicate there is any intent from Russia to occupy any part of Ukraine.

They might have underestimated how many Ukrainians Zelensky was willing to sacrifice, because they themselves didn't want harm civilians or destroy cities.

 

[OhYeah84]

It might have given them the false impression that this invasion of Ukraine would be easier. And it was to some extent they mostly met their militaty objectives on day 2, that doesn't indicate there is any intent from Russia to occupy any part of Ukraine.

They might have underestimated how many Ukrainians Zelensky was willing to sacrifice, because they themselves didn't want harm civilians or destroy cities.

Lol...what a knob comment. People are signing up from outside the country to fight the Russians. It's about defending your home and family. There is definite intent from Russia to occupy parts of Ukraine, or all of it. Go back and read your Comrade Putin's comments about Ukraine belonging to Russia.
Go and read how your favourite benevolent country is recognising Russian sympathizer mayors in areas they now control. Do you honestly think they're going to simply hand back those regions after running out of Ukraine with their tail between their legs? If so, then you're clearly very deluded.

Sheesh, try harder to justify the Russian invasion why don't you?

 

[rietrot]

Lol...what a knob comment. People are signing up from outside the country to fight the Russians. It's about defending your home and family. There is definite intent from Russia to occupy parts of Ukraine, or all of it. Go back and read your Comrade Putin's comments about Ukraine belonging to Russia.
Go and read how your favourite benevolent country is recognising Russian sympathizer mayors in areas they now control. Do you honestly think they're going to simply hand back those regions after running out of Ukraine with their tail between their legs? If so, then you're clearly very deluded.

Sheesh, try harder to justify the Russian invasion why don't you?

Yeah, no. Emotional BS devoid of facts. Good for you.

 

[ForceFate]

It might have given them the false impression that this invasion of Ukraine would be easier. And it was to some extent they mostly met their militaty objectives on day 2, that doesn't indicate there is any intent from Russia to occupy any part of Ukraine.

One of the main objective was to install puppet government else, why were they marching to Kyiv? Zelenskyy is a relative novice to politics and military operations thus, plan may have been to scare him into exile or have him murdered.

They might have underestimated how many Ukrainians Zelensky was willing to sacrifice, because they themselves didn't want harm civilians or destroy cities.

Those Ukrainians opted to stay and defend their land from the invaders. It's a lie that they didn't want to bomb cities. There was evidence of bombardments of residential areas in day 2 of the war already.

 

[Cius]

I think every army has a small minority of soldiers that will commit crimes if, given the opportunity, the test will be how Ukraine chooses to handle it.

This war will be messy from both sides. A big part of the issue is that so many of Ukraine's forces are irregular militia. People not in uniform but who are going out at night in civilian clothes, doing damage, and then going home. Civilians taking pictures or video's and uploading it to social media giving the Ukrainian forces actionable intelligence. But its just a kid with a phone. Can you shoot him? His actions may cause you to be shot after all. Every war ever that operated like that has atrocities aplenty as the lines between combatants and non-combatants is so blurry. Yet what other option do the Ukrainians have? Either way I suspect there are war crimes happening regularly on both sides as both sides hate each other, and this is an irregular conflict in so many ways.

I still mostly blame Russia as if they had just not invaded so many would not be dying but I cannot call Ukraine angels either. They have their issues. Just not issues big enough that I think they deserved an invasion from a bully like Russia. As always the ones I feel the most for are the innocent people trying to live their lives who are being dragged into this against their wills from both sides, especially the children. Many of the Russians don't want this, and that is perhaps why they are fighting poorly. Its the same thing we saw with Italy in WW2. Russian morale and effectiveness may be completely different if they where on the defense.

Anyways, Russia is learning the same lesson Hitler had to learn the hard way. Ukrainians are terrific guerilla fighters. One of the biggest turning points of WW2 was operation Bagration and the encirclement of army group center by Russia. A lot of historians point out that somewhere between 25 and 30% of Hitlers eastern forces where tied up in back line duties suppressing Ukrainian resistance and trying to protect the logistics lines the Ukrainians where constantly hitting. Had the 25 odd divisions tied up in the backlines been available on the front lines it could have changed the course of WW2 in some ways. Perhaps not the ultimate outcome but definitely how long it took to end it.

 

[surface]

Honestly don't know why you guys haven't put this POS on ignore yet.

He will never admit anything no matter how much evidence there is.

Waste of time talking to a waste of space.

Pity the man not despise him. Olga has given him no choice in this matter.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

(Capitals at the start of a sentence...basic Grade 1 stuff)

this is an internet forum, not an essay, so ... get bent grammar Azov battalion member

You're defending them, Comrade, and it's plain to see

/care, that's your problem, not mine

Showing a video of Russians executing Ukrainian citizens on live TV would probably still not convince you

it should not convince anyone ... since when is TV proof of anything at all? the Syrian "white helmet cleanup of fake chemical attack" was shown on live TV fyi, proven fake, TV is not evidence ... you seem to struggle with this basic concept

This thread, and your dumb-ass support of Russia should be revisited if they prosecute the soldiers involved in those atrocities. Then (although we all know it), the confirmation that you all along were the problem in this exchange.

Bye Comrade!

 

[Solarion]

Yeah, no. Emotional BS devoid of facts. Good for you.

There is no war without emotion. Many of them have been started because of it and what follows is a river of tears and regret. To be in a war or read about a war and not feel any emotion means you are not human.

 

[Major Boredom]

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, denies it’s a duck, demands you prove it's a duck, accuses you of being a duck, says your dog is a duck, that your friend's cat is a duck & that all 3 'ducks' are Russophobic ducks paid to be crisis actors, it’s a Kremlin duck

This is so f true of all the russian scum on MyBB

 

[rietrot]

One of the main objective was to install puppet government else, why were they marching to Kyiv? Zelenskyy is a relative novice to politics and military operations thus, plan may have been to scare him into exile or have him murdered.

Those Ukrainians opted to stay and defend their land from the invaders. It's a lie that they didn't want to bomb cities. There was evidence of bombardments of residential areas in day 2 of the war already.

They didn't attempt to take Kiev.

Two theories likely both correct.
Apply pressure for peace talks and draw some of Ukrainian forces away from eastern battle fronts.

Maybe they wanted him out at the start, they want someone who would agree to their terms. And I've already commented this morning on Zelensky's anti Russian stance. There's a speech by on of his advisers where they believe they have no choice but to have a war with Russia. From a Russian perspective this actually helps Russia to convince people at home that Ukraine is the enemy if Russia also wanted war. Zelensky is good for war because his hardline stance and because he does whatever the US says. Zelensky was also viewed as corrupt and incompetent before the war.

But now that has changed. Zelensky is now the Hero and getting him to agree on any deal gives it more credibility. If he signs over Dunbas it would be hard for the west not to recognize it. Where the west could easily ignore an agreement reached with a puppet government.

 

[OhYeah84]

this is an internet forum, not an essay, so ... get bent grammar Azov battalion member


/care, that's your problem, not mine


it should not convince anyone ... since when is TV proof of anything at all? the Syrian "white helmet cleanup of fake chemical attack" was shown on live TV fyi, proven fake, TV is not evidence ... you seem to struggle with this basic concept

Sure thing Comrade, swing harder there.

I suspect you struggle with a lot more than I do Comrade.

 

[rietrot]

There is no war without emotion. Many of them have been started because of it and what follows is a river of tears and regret. To be in a war or read about a war and not feel any emotion means you are not human.

Yeah, I'm not at war with anyone. So I don't have to address people's feelings as if they are facts.

 

[Cray]

This war will be messy from both sides. A big part of the issue is that so many of Ukraine's forces are irregular militia. People not in uniform but who are going out at night in civilian clothes, doing damage, and then going home. Civilians taking pictures or video's and uploading it to social media giving the Ukrainian forces actionable intelligence. But its just a kid with a phone. Can you shoot him? His actions may cause you to be shot after all. Every war ever that operated like that has atrocities aplenty as the lines between combatants and non-combatants is so blurry. Yet what other option do the Ukrainians have? Either way I suspect there are war crimes happening regularly on both sides as both sides hate each other, and this is an irregular conflict in so many ways.

Nail on the head, people give the US army crap about their campaigns but their rules of engagement are very clear and they do punish people who violate them (most of the time anyway). This is infantry mind you, still think their drones strike doctrine is BS. There just isn't discipline in a situation where you are defending your homes from an invader in a militia force, not to mention the hatred that Ukrainians must feel towards Russians who are attacking their homes.

I still mostly blame Russia as if they had just not invaded so many would not be dying but I cannot call Ukraine angels either. They have their issues. Just not issues big enough that I think they deserved an invasion from a bully like Russia. As always the ones I feel the most for are the innocent people trying to live their lives who are being dragged into this against their wills from both sides, especially the children. Many of the Russians don't want this, and that is perhaps why they are fighting poorly. Its the same thing we saw with Italy in WW2. Russian morale and effectiveness may be completely different if they where on the defense.

Yup, it's hard to convince people to fight for something like "denazification", it's a lot easier to get people to risk their lives when the result of not fighting might be the destruction of your home and country.

Anyways, Russia is learning the same lesson Hitler had to learn the hard way. Ukrainians are terrific guerilla fighters. One of the biggest turning points of WW2 was operation Bagration and the encirclement of army group center by Russia. A lot of historians point out that somewhere between 25 and 30% of Hitlers eastern forces where tied up in back line duties suppressing Ukrainian resistance and trying to protect the logistics lines the Ukrainians where constantly hitting. Had the 25 odd divisions tied up in the backlines been available on the front lines it could have changed the course of WW2 in some ways. Perhaps not the ultimate outcome but definitely how long it took to end it.

100%

 

[Solarion]

Yeah, I'm not at war with anyone. So I don't have to address people's feelings as if they are facts.

Without understanding emotion; anger, fear, you will never truly understand the facts. You will see mowed down civilians, butchered and dismembered, and the facts will never add up. Nothing will make sense.