Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition Part 1

[Tun@]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1511651193554149379

 

[Blu82]

I'd add the fact the Russians seem to be unable to prevent the use of drones by Ukraine. It's one of the reasons the Ukrainians are so effective.

Wait until they complete training on the Switchblade systems for a further step up, I think.

That larger switchblade may make life hell for the Russian logistics system that relays heavily on railways. You can say loiter one around a bridge and hit a train as it crosses.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Let us take an example from this thread. The Bucha killings.
Users post various articles, satellite photos, witness statements etc. as proof that Russia is responsible

let me stop you right there, NOTHING has been posted that proves who did it

the various articles, photos, interviews etc all stem from the same source: Ukraine
Ukraine that had access to the scene before any journalists were allowed
Ukraine that has a serious interest in accusing Russia of pretty much anything
Ukraine that's been begging NATO to get involved directly for over a month
Ukraine that was caught lying multiple times already in this very war

I put it to you your honour this is hearsay, the prosecution has offered no evidence at all
The plaintiff is the only witness and the witness has been discredited

 

[OhYeah84]

I'd add the fact the Russians seem to be unable to prevent the use of drones by Ukraine. It's one of the reasons the Ukrainians are so effective.

Wait until they complete training on the Switchblade systems for a further step up, I think.

They probably thought drones are the sound their Ladas make, or watched too many SciFi to actually put a budget together for.
Now they're getting absolutely hammered by them.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

I wonder if old ladies with poisoned food count as a chemical attack in the Russian play book?

ask the white helmets, they're the experts in staging chemical attacks and getting the MSM to pretend it really happened

 

[hexagon]

 

[ToxicBunny]

let me stop you right there, NOTHING has been posted that proves who did it

the various articles, photos, interviews etc all stem from the same source: Ukraine
Ukraine that had access to the scene before any journalists were allowed
Ukraine that has a serious interest in accusing Russia of pretty much anything
Ukraine that's been begging NATO to get involved directly for over a month
Ukraine that was caught lying multiple times already in this very war

I put it to you your honour this is hearsay, the prosecution has offered no evidence at all
The plaintiff is the only witness and the witness has been discredited

Define what you classify as proof then... You keep banging the its Fake, its BS drum with zero to back it up...

So provide us with a clarification of what you deem is proof, and then we can talk...

 

[Impala]

let me stop you right there, NOTHING has been posted that proves who did it

the various articles, photos, interviews etc all stem from the same source: Ukraine
Ukraine that had access to the scene before any journalists were allowed
Ukraine that has a serious interest in accusing Russia of pretty much anything
Ukraine that's been begging NATO to get involved directly for over a month
Ukraine that was caught lying multiple times already in this very war

I put it to you your honour this is hearsay, the prosecution has offered no evidence at all
The plaintiff is the only witness and the witness has been discredited

Relax, I only used it as an example.
But let's go through your arguments.

the various articles, photos, interviews etc all stem from the same source: Ukraine

That is true, as the photos cannot come from any other country as Bucha is located within Ukraine. The witness testimonies is also expected to come from Ukraine, as it is mostly Ukrainians living in Bucha.

Ukraine that had access to the scene before any journalists were allowed

This is true.

Ukraine that has a serious interest in accusing Russia of pretty much anything

The argument goes both ways. Russia also has a serious interest in accusing Ukraine of pretty much anything.

Ukraine that's been begging NATO to get involved directly for over a month

This is irrelevant. There is no nexus between NATO and the Bucha killings.

Ukraine that was caught lying multiple times already in this very war

The argument goes both ways. However, some evidence on this matter will be much appreciated.

The plaintiff is the only witness and the witness has been discredited

Discredited by opinion statements?

 

[tetrasect]

Define what you classify as proof then... You keep banging the its Fake, its BS drum with zero to back it up...

So provide us with a clarification of what you deem is proof, and then we can talk...

Maybe if you say it was Russian soldiers who were "Ukrainian at heart"?

 

[Illegal Allien]

We all know just how much Russia values trials and punishment for crimes by it's citizens...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko

Its done by almost every country though, reason why countries have extradition treaty's. I think the UK states they dont extradite their citizens to countries with a death penalty. If the UK really wanted, they could negotiate a similar treaty with Russia.

The only challenge to this would be "dissidents" who escape Russia.

 

[Dave]

That is true, as the photos cannot come from any other country as Bucha is located within Ukraine. The witness testimonies is also expected to come from Ukraine, as it is mostly Ukrainians living in Bucha.

One small point, someone should tell NarrowBand that Ukraine doesn't operate satellites and those satellite photos aren't from Ukraine.

 

[Illegal Allien]

I'd add the fact the Russians seem to be unable to prevent the use of drones by Ukraine. It's one of the reasons the Ukrainians are so effective.

Wait until they complete training on the Switchblade systems for a further step up, I think.

What i dont get is how the Russians who were utilising drones for forward observation in the Donetsk to great effect seem to have no defence for the same tactic.

 

[Gramps66]

Define what you classify as proof then... You keep banging the its Fake, its BS drum with zero to back it up...

So provide us with a clarification of what you deem is proof, and then we can talk...

The irony in your post is just .... Dave gave it thumbs up because he provided "Twitter" proof about the war for more than a month now.

 

[MiW]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1511984999876149252

 

[ToxicBunny]

The irony in your post is just .... Dave gave it thumbs up because he provided "Twitter" proof about the war for more than a month now.

Oh another little cheerleader then...

So then maybe you can pipe in since NBFTW is being all coy now, what is your definition of proof in the context of this discussion?

 

[Blu82]

Analysis of that tank vs convoy engagement.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1512009037050781700

 

[ToxicBunny]

One small point, someone should tell NarrowBand that Ukraine doesn't operate satellites and those satellite photos aren't from Ukraine.

Photochops...

 

[MiW]

The irony in your post is just .... Dave gave it thumbs up because he provided "Twitter" proof about the war for more than a month now.

What war? If you remove twitter+ and switch on RT+ , there is no war at all...nothing to see.

 

[Dave]

Dave gave it thumbs up because he provided "Twitter" proof about the war for more than a month now.

Ah, another lover of the Kremlin dwarf gremlin.

You haven't noticed that a lot of tweets posted have (a) a photo and (b) a link included so Twitter isn't the proof, it's just the medium used to show it.

Are you also in the market for an Orc wife or do you have other reasons for supporting the fascist Putin forces?

 

[Blu82]

Ah, another lover of the Kremlin dwarf gremlin.

You haven't noticed that a lot of tweets posted have (a) a photo and (b) a link included so Twitter isn't the proof, it's just the medium used to show it.

Are you also in the market for an Orc wife or do you have other reasons for supporting the fascist Putin forces?

Its easier to link twitter on a Tapatalk than quoting the website and than manually insert the link.