Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition Part 1

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ForceFate

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Ukraine agreeing to things at the talks and then their US handlers told them no.

After Russia withdrew from Kiev in good faith. I would expect a major escalation, but Russia is probably more calculated than that.
You sound like an EFF shill
 

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You sound like an EFF shill
Just a quick summary of the article.

And a very obvious observation that the war will be prolonged if peacetalks fail.

I didn't shill for anything. However I would like the war to end and I am anti war.
 

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cope some more, your statement was proven false, deal with it
 

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Ukraine agreeing to things at the talks and then their US handlers told them no.

After Russia withdrew from Kiev in good faith. I would expect a major escalation, but Russia is probably more calculated than that.

An article based on Lavrov's statements? Really?

That man is so disconnected from reality its not even funny.
 

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Define what you classify as proof then... You keep banging the its Fake, its BS drum with zero to back it up...

So provide us with a clarification of what you deem is proof, and then we can talk...
- independently verifiable

- independently verified as authentic and untampered

- direct link to the actual deed(s)

all three need to be in place before something would count as solid proof, a statement by Ukraine for example fails on all three, as does "investigations" by journalists who are both aligned with the pro-Ukraine agenda and lack any qualifications to forensically determine whether the evidence they see is authentic ... who only arrived on scene days later anyway

I truly wonder if an independent investigation is even possible, who would conduct it???

hypothetically if we were to find truly independent investigators, they would need to find something like:
- forensic proof that the bodies were actually killed at the exact time and exact place as reported
- that whatever weapon was used, was held by a Russian at the time, down to the serial number of the weapon and e.g. the barrel matching the bullet

times that by the number of victims, it is essentially an impossible task I think ... the sheer size of the task, the fog of war, the lack of a truly independent party or a pristine / secured crime scene ...

EDIT: a confession by the guilty would also count of course, as unlikely as that is to be forthcoming
 

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An article based on Lavrov's statements? Really?

That man is so disconnected from reality its not even funny.
Yeah, he is only the Russia foreign minister, he has absolutely no authority to speak on behalf of Russia about the war.

Whether or not he is disconnected from reality is another issue.
 

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Yeah, he is only Russia foreign minister, he has absolutely no authority to speak on behalf of Russia about the war.

Whether or not he is disconnected from reality is another issue.

But he said its not a war.
 

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- independently verifiable

- independently verified as authentic and untampered

- direct link to the actual deed(s)

all three need to be in place before something would count as solid proof, a statement by Ukraine for example fails on all three, as does "investigations" by journalists who are both aligned with the pro-Ukraine agenda and lack any qualifications to forensically determine whether the evidence they see is authentic ... who only arrived on scene days later anyway

I truly wonder if an independent investigation is even possible, who would conduct it???

hypothetically if we were to find truly independent investigators, they would need to find something like:
- forensic proof that the bodies were actually killed at the exact time and exact place as reported
- that whatever weapon was used, was held by a Russian at the time, down to the serial number of the weapon and e.g. the barrel matching the bullet

times that by the number of victims, it is essentially an impossible task I think ... the sheer size of the task, the fog of war, the lack of a truly independent party or a pristine / secured crime scene ...

Was that so hard?

But at least we have criteria now, and we can confidently state that everything you've posted so far in this thread fails on absolutely all 3 criteria...
 

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Don't know, don't really read the shyte you post anyway...
and yet you feel qualified to comment on my post's veracity anyway? :unsure:

sounds about right, the collective "west" also sees fit to pass judgement without a shred of evidence
 

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and yet you feel qualified to comment on my post's veracity anyway? :unsure:

sounds about right, the collective "west" also sees fit to pass judgement without a shred of evidence

Bwahahaha... the 'west'... could you put your stake any firmer on one side if you tried?
 

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They voting now at the UNHRC, hope SA will abstain.
doubt anyone cares, China and Saudi Arabia have not only been members but chaired the UNHRC

if that didn't set off the irony alarms then the UNHRC is a pure sham, which it is
 
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