Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 2

Status
Not open for further replies.
M

Mirai

Honorary Master
Joined
Oct 21, 2017
Messages
11,241
M

MiW

Executive Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2009
Messages
9,313
meduza.io

‘Holding people liable for stating the facts’ Condemning the Kremlin’s war against Ukraine is a criminal offense in Russia. Here’s how investigators are building their cases. — Meduza

Days after launching its full-fledged invasion of Ukraine, Russia outlawed the spread of “knowingly false information” about the country’s armed forces. The new law, which came into force on March 4, carries punishments of up to 15 years in prison — and it has so far been used to persecute those...
meduza.io meduza.io

In addition to the law on “fakes,” on March 4, the State Duma approved punishments for “discrediting” the Russian Armed Forces. This can lead to either administrative or criminal charges; the latter are applied in cases of repeat violations within a year or when the actions in question lead to “serious consequences.” Disseminating “knowingly false information” about the military is automatically a criminal offense, punishable by up to 15 years in prison.


“Roughly speaking, being charged with ‘discrediting’ means facing penalties for simply having an opinion, something that cannot be punishable in any way in a normal democratic society […] Criminal liability for ‘fakes’ means holding people liable for simply stating the facts,” said Pavel Chikov, head of the international human rights group Agora.
Click to expand...

The very concept of “false information” is completely novel in Russian legislation, said lawyer Egor Solunin.

Criminal Code Article 207.3 consists of three parts:

  • Under part one, the accused faces up to three years of incarceration, or a fine ranging from 700,000 to 1.5 million rubles ($10,800 to $23,000), or community service for up to one year, or compulsory labor for up to three years.
  • Part two is applied if the act was perpetrated a) by a person through their official position, b) by a group, c) together with the artificial creation of evidence for prosecution, d) for financial gain, or e) “out of hatred for a specific social group.” This charge carries penalties of five to ten years in prison, or a fine ranging from 3–5 million rubles ($46,000 to $77,000), or compulsory labor for up to five years.
  • Part three is applied if the action has led to “serious consequences.” This carries punishments of 10 to 15 years in prison. What exactly these “serious consequences” may be is not defined in the law.
Click to expand...

Which countries have labor camps still? I would've thought that Russia got rid of them after 1991, and only China and N. Korea still use the practice.
 
Last edited:
S

sefeddt

Expert Member
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
4,158
SA born fighting in Ukraine

Peter trained as a sniper and medic with his native South Africa’s police special forces 20 years ago.

www.mirror.co.uk

Brits in Ukraine say death squads 'won't stop us' as comrades face execution

Volunteer foreign legion fighter Peter Fouche has said he believes the sentencing of two British fighters by Russia will only inspire more people to take up arms, despite official warnings
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
 
Aghori

Aghori

Honorary Master
Joined
May 11, 2009
Messages
14,245
Mirai said:
How are they hurting the EU?

The EU wants a weaker Russia more than some temporary comforts. WW3 is not as bad as a period of more expensive gas and petrol.

Russia is the one getting hammered.

What's it like to be a b1atch to China?
Click to expand...

Russia/China/India are my best clients so I have a vested interest in this war. Profits are soaring and I'm in the process of opening another arms manufacturing plant in Zambia.
 
Cosmik Debris

Cosmik Debris

Honorary Master
Joined
Feb 25, 2021
Messages
35,125
Pak Fa Fui said:
They never accepted their EU membership applications or Nato application before
Did nothing when Russia took Crimea
Now they dumping weapons in Ukraine and using them as cannon fodder
Like the world wanted to end Apartheid but did nothing about it for more than 30 years
Took them 24 hours to “save” Libya
They afraid of Russia and rightly so
Click to expand...

Brandolini's law used here. So I won't be refuting any of your many points.
 
Cosmik Debris

Cosmik Debris

Honorary Master
Joined
Feb 25, 2021
Messages
35,125
MiW said:

"[It's] outrageous that they would even consider asking for it, and I told them under no circumstances will we raise your flag until you're out of Ukraine, and we have the Ukrainian flag that is still flying and will remain flying on our plaza until the Russians leave the country," Watson said Friday.

"I was surprised that they came and asked for it," he said. "You would think that they'd put two and two together that we're not going to fly their flag on our property."
Click to expand...

It's the typical Russian arrogance and boorishness.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top